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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #90 on: August 15, 2015, 04:05:05 AM »

Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?

WTF are you guys doing to my first thread? The discussion taking place on Marv's DAC thread is closer to this topic, than the input of most on this thread!
Sure, some OT is good. No, it's great. But, don't you think that it's got beyond the realms of 'SOME' OT?!?

Unless someone's gonna say that they've compared some new usb implementation to a good transport, and it came out on top, I don't want to read shit about pc/usb!

Thankyou to those who have tried, and failed, to steer this back on topic. Please, let's have some feedback about alternative digital audio.
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #91 on: August 15, 2015, 04:08:35 AM »

I'm just wondering if anyone has experience with the optical out in Macs versus USB, that should bypass USB, would that be much better than USB??
Sorry if this is a very noob question, just wondering

Optical out from my mother's original Snow Leopard Macbook Pro was the worst toslink I've ever heard from any device.
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #92 on: August 15, 2015, 04:09:11 AM »

hello,

i collect music recordings, in physical format.

once upon a time in the not too distant past, there was a transition in the music industry from 12" black discs to smaller, shiny ones.

you couldn't play those new discs on your existing hardware.

also, less mainstream records and artists were not well represented in the new medium or were released on "labels" of somewhat dubious providence e.g. Sundazed.

i remember buying off the newsstand (does anyone here remember those?) the Schwann Compact Disc Catalog which at the beginning was maybe a bit over 100 pages in digest format. looking to see if an album (quaint term in itself) i wanted was now available in the new format, which at least didn't wear out with each listen.

why buy physical media? if a label goes under there is the chance that you may be able to still find and purchase a recording you want as it exists as a physical object. if a streaming service goes under and holds an exclusive on something the odds lessen i would think.

also, i own both the content and the container, and am not hostage to a service offering me a "license" on the music i enjoy.

do i actually play CDs? not very often. the usual pattern is rip to Apple Lossless (we are hostage to our iPods) and listen via the computer or on a portable device.

with maturity, the CD market caught up with vinyl on selection and some older, o.o.p. stuff was released that hadn't been pressed in a very long time.

is it "perfect sound forever"? not even close. but is having a recording of music better than not having it at all? of course it is.

will the playback hardware continue to race to the bottom in the consumer space? sadly i think so before disappearing all together.

the promise of digital archiving seemed to me to be an opportunity to preserve older cultural material for the foreseeable future. i'd love to be able to watch George and Gracie with my kids, but its not all there.

i am well aware that the CD's days are numbered, i just wonder how much recorded music will be lost as "there just isn't enough market for it."

(for irony's sake i will put forth that i am totally committed to e-books and e-readers.

one fourth of my working life was spent as a bookseller. i also have an MLS.

booksellers buy a LOT of books. i have no open walls in my living space that are not home to Ikea Billies.

why e-books? [which do not smell as good as the real thing.]

the ability to alter font size depending on conditions [fatigue, time of day, content] is a god send!

and its a hell of a lot easier when it comes to packing them to move.)
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #93 on: August 15, 2015, 04:10:58 AM »

So going back to the "files being read directly from DAC" point... would a memory card reader in a DAC be easier to implement/do a better job than going through USB? The DAC could still be "controlled" through USB, but I wonder if jitter could be eliminated this way? It doesn't seem very popular, so I'm guessing it's hard to properly implement? Just wondering.

IME yes. I did this exact comparison using Tari/Radiohead's Invicta DAC. SD card>USB in that case for sure.

So this is back OnT for the OP as you could use the Invicta as a transport. If you can live with its sound...
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #94 on: August 15, 2015, 04:13:47 AM »

My next transport will probably be something like this:



The QLS QA660 SD Card Digital Audio Player. It's even got I2S output!  :)p7
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #95 on: August 15, 2015, 04:20:48 AM »

What interface are they using for I2S?
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #96 on: August 15, 2015, 04:24:58 AM »

RJ45 ethernet, by the looks of it.





Features&Specification:

Streaming music data flow from the SD card to the digital outputs with Ultra-low jitters and high accuracy by the single threaded software framework together with 2 sets of independent sampling clock circuits (44.1K/44K) and mono-system-aspect-design in separated power supply systems and grounding systems.
Audio format supported:
  - WAV         :   16/24bit, 44.1~192 kHz.
  - FLAC       :    16/24bit, 44.1 kHz~48 kHz, compression level 0~8.
  - APE         :    16 bit, 44.1 kHz, compression level fast and normal.
  - WAVPack  : 16 bit, 44.1 kHz, compression level fast mode and high quality.
  - MP3         :    16bit, 44.1/48 kHz, 96k bps~320k bps, CBR/VBR/ABR encoding.
  - CUE         :    ANSI / UNICODE / UTF-8 Encoding.
Digital Output:(outputs can be used at the same time without interfering each other)
  - I2S/IIS
  - Optical
  - EBU/AES
  - RCA Coaxial
  - BNC1 Coaxial
  - BNC2 Current Mode Coaxial(needs a 75Ω ground resistor to convert the current signal to voltage signal so the DAC catches the digital input, some DACs may not have this resistor)
Support SD/SDHC/SDXC up to 128GB SDXC with FAT32 (upgradeable with further firmware upgrade)
OSD supports English, simplified Chinese and traditional Chinese.
Support Software(Firmware) Upgrade.
Output voltage: Coaxial (0.5V p-p), XLR (5V p-p balance)
Digital output formats: PCM / Dolby Digital / DTS
Total hamornic distortion: < 0.00002% @ 20-20k Hz
Dynamic Range: >140dB
S/N ratio (unweighted):>140dB
Power: 9-11W
Input Voltage: AC 110V and AC 220V selectable
Dimensions: 290x240x90mm (11.4" x 9.45" x 3.54") (with all the sockets)
Package weight: 3.6kg
Package Dimension: L440 X W300 X H130mm(17.3" x 11.8" x 5.12")

http://www.qlshifi.com/en/wzcapi/qa660.htm
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #97 on: August 15, 2015, 04:28:38 AM »

hello,

i like this from the linked page:

 Tips: The USB port is reserved for future upgrade, it's not functionable on QA660
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #98 on: August 15, 2015, 04:40:36 AM »

I think those QLS devices use the CS8406, which might have somewhat high jitter. Though not sure if their implementation improves it somehow, and might still sound good regardless.
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #99 on: August 15, 2015, 04:43:22 AM »

They've come a fair ways since the 350. Maybe I can find one to review. Those AES outputs are begging to hookup to the Yggy.
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