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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #190 on: August 21, 2015, 04:38:39 AM »

It's a fucking bus protocol developed in 1986 with the latest revision in 1996. I hope you guys love a serial interface because that would be the standard connector given there hasn't been any meaningful industry-wide revisions to I2S in 2 decades.
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #191 on: August 21, 2015, 05:24:32 AM »

Let's all remember what I2S stands for: IIS > Inter-IC Sound. Meant for interconnecting DIT/DIT to DAC chip and so on. Was never meant for outboard connections hence that lack of standardization. That's what the AES/SPDIF format was created for. I wouldn't be surprised if it actually performed worse when using outboard connections.
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #192 on: August 21, 2015, 06:30:15 AM »

Let's all remember what I2S stands for: IIS > Inter-IC Sound. Meant for interconnecting DIT/DIT to DAC chip and so on. Was never meant for outboard connections hence that lack of standardization. That's what the AES/SPDIF format was created for. I wouldn't be surprised if it actually performed worse when using outboard connections.

Well, it looks like at least two recent posters disagree and think that I²S is better.
There's some sound tech to support their opinion; I2S includes the clock signal; AES and SPDIF do not.

However, there is some truth to your concern; I2S is only designed for very, VERY short runs. Maybe for runs of over 30-60cm (guessing) the other connections are better. But if you can manage with a super short interconnect, I believe it's the tech of choice.

I think that people's frustration is that the best protocol just hasn't been developed; it's been ignored by most of the industry, over the years. But when the majority seem so obsessed with spending more and more money to get the best out of a usb port, who can really blame the industry?
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #193 on: August 21, 2015, 03:38:05 PM »

There is no I2S connection that uses XLRs as far as I'm aware. Annoyingly, there's never been a standard for it. You most commonly see it using RJ-45 connectors, and some of those are incompatible with each other because they use different pin configurations. Some also used DIN type connectors that resembled S-video, but wasn't. PS came up with the HDMI version and opened it for others to use, but aside from W4S, Channel Islands, Empirical, and maybe one or two others, most haven't taken them up on it.

As I'd pointed out on the other website, the number of audio equipment manufacturers offering LVDS I2S over HDMI is 18 at present, equally divided between DACs and DDCs, by my count.
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« Reply #194 on: August 29, 2015, 08:46:02 AM »

To evaluate decent transports, is it enough to have a look on the trace of SPDIF signal on a scope? What do you think of this guy?

http://www.lampizator.eu/lampizator/TRANSPORT/CD_transport_DIY.html
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #195 on: September 06, 2015, 07:12:45 AM »

I've found a review for the qa661 from a polish forum. Google translate does a fair job for us non-polish speakers :

https://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhdtvpolska.com%2Ftopic%2F32905-muza-filmy-i-sprzet-pmcompa-jest-audio-nirvana%2Fpage-80%23entry361110&sandbox=1

Overall this seems very well built. The reviewer is comparing to a Linn Majik DS, which I have not heard, but costs $$$.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2015, 04:21:21 PM by frenchbat »
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #196 on: September 07, 2015, 11:57:57 PM »

http://intona.eu/en/products

The problem is not jitter but noise, and from what I have gathered this noise is very difficult to eliminate even with galvanic isolation after the usb receiver and reclocking/buffer after the isolator.  Or one could also try to limit the work the PHY must do (by improving signal integrity) and thereby minimise the noise at the source.
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