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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #170 on: August 19, 2015, 04:58:29 AM »

On another note, whilst comparisons between high end expensive usb, streamers, mass storage and any kind of transport solution is all relevant; we want to get an understanding of how different technologies ultimately compare. But I think that the asking price of each solution should also be taken into account more; this helps people to make value-for-money judgements.

Of course, the best value-for-money would be just to plug some IEMs (that probably came free with our cell phone) into our pc. But in reality, unless we really do have more money than we know what to do with, I think that most of us just want to understand the best compromise, for us. We want to know what level of performance we can expect to get for our available funds. And also, how much we'd need to spend to make a worthwhile improvement. So, cost also has some relevance.

There are a lot of ways to skin the proverbial cat. Based on my own experience, I happen to think that the "CAPS" style DIY server provides very good value for money if you have a very capable USB DAC or converter, and your music collection is under 4TB. The basic componentry is only a few hundred dollars, remote interface options are excellent, extensive house wiring via Ethernet is not required, and you can add additional components as funds allow. New improvements can also be added in as they become available. If a better USB card comes along to beat the JCAT, you can just swap that in. With traditional components, things are not nearly that easy.

DIY servers can also be configured to stream via network storage if you would rather do that, or if your music collection is too large for a local hard drive, but obviously that removes any advantage vs. a network renderer such as the Aries, Rendu, or NDS, at least in terms of practicality.

Another alternative is ordering a pre-built music server, some of which are more like conventional computers, some less. You're not going to be able to build your own Aurender W20 by ordering parts from Newegg, it's almost completely custom hardware. I'm sure it will beat a CAPS style server, but I don't know to what degree. They also are not using some off the shelf sound card, so if you don't have a good USB DAC, you may get much better results from a custom music server or network renderer.

My guess is that something like the QA661 will probably sound better than the typical un-optimized Macbook or PC laptop connected to a USB DAC, or some otherwise off the shelf computer powered by a switch mode PSU. That puts the onus entirely on the DAC to fix all of the incoming problems. Optimizing the PC may swing things in the other direction, but then your $250 Linux box must now become a $1200+ Linux box - twice the price of the QA661.

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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #171 on: August 19, 2015, 05:04:13 AM »

its a wonder we get to listen to music at all. :-S

That's one of the reasons I like vinyl, at least I understand why shit does what it does and sounds how it does.
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #172 on: August 19, 2015, 10:53:41 PM »

What? Didn't I repeatedly mention at least two?? There's also a couple more in that article to consider.

http://www.esoteric-usa.com/Products/index.php#transport

http://www.stereophile.com/cdplayers/boulder_1021_disc_player/index.html#7wWrazyuRS0TwJtp.97



Ahahahahahahah.  You're back in MSB+ territory.  I think that's why the 90s quality CD transport/players are so popular now: depreciation.  Too bad the CD laser/disc platform assemblies have finite lifetimes, with replacement modules now unavailable or very limited.  It's a purchasing crap shoot, really, as evidenced by the various vintage CD transport problem/repair inquiry postings prevalent.
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #173 on: August 19, 2015, 10:56:54 PM »

Ahahahahahahah.  You're back in MSB+ territory. 

So? I never criticized MSB for their pricing. If you want new and 2015, that's what you get for price/performance ratios of CD transports. I didn't limit myself in such a way so I'm doing fine.
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #174 on: August 19, 2015, 11:03:26 PM »

I'm not disagreeing with you; I'm just observing the current state of affairs for the multitude of audiophiles on a budget.  I'm actually targeting a DIY solution myself at some point, tho not necessarily as part of a dedicated SOTA ARM file server or otherwise.  That would be ideal, if I but had the capacity.
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #175 on: August 19, 2015, 11:08:48 PM »

I'm not disagreeing with you; I'm just observing the current state of affairs for the multitude of audiophiles on a budget.  I'm actually targeting a DIY solution myself at some point, tho not necessarily as part of a dedicated SOTA ARM file server or otherwise.  That would be ideal, if I but had the capacity.

Yup, that's about it. Go vintage or go DIY. Depending, the two may end up more similar than different. ;P

Of course, some people might be reading too much into it and might not even have gear capable of caring that much.
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #176 on: August 19, 2015, 11:47:07 PM »

While on the subject of ridiculously priced transports connected to fathomable priced DACs, I have the MSB Universal Media Transport here, feeding the 20 years old Theta V A via AES.
The CD player section is decent, but the LAN streaming seems really good: it just sounds more transparent and resolves better. The Theta sounds really great with this.

For the scope of this thread, both the CD player and LAN streaming sections of the UMT are preferable to the built-in old gen MSB Signature 384k USB.

How the Theta V A / MSB Transport sounds vs the MSB Signature 5 DAC stack / MSB Transport is a story for another time.
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #177 on: August 20, 2015, 12:54:48 AM »

This is that Oppo thingy right?
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #178 on: August 20, 2015, 09:52:24 AM »

It is based off an Oppo, yes. However MSB claim the audio side is entirely their own thing. It also has a LPSU, and in terms of connectivity it has AES and more importantly I2S outputs to connect it to a MSB DAC. The latter is quite key.

MSBs narrative:
http://www.msbtech.com/products/universalV.php?Page=platinumHome

Of course, that still begs the question how that Oppo sounds in comparison. More than one person asked me to see if I can also get an Oppo to hear how it fares.
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Re: Alternative transports to USB/PC or 'Spinning a disc'?
« Reply #179 on: August 20, 2015, 05:25:44 PM »

Speaking of DIY, yowza
http://tentlabs.com/Products/diycd/index.html

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