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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #620 on: February 20, 2013, 03:05:35 AM »

Yes the nav screen is pretty bad. I'll have to see what it looks like in person, but I don't think it will be bad enough to sway me if everything else is good.

Interestingly, you brought up the V6 and the turbo 4. There is actually talk of the Mazdaspeed becoming a diesel drivetrain. Mazda took 3 400hp diesels with half stock parts from the 2.2L I4 diesel and raced them in some race, Lemans or something and did well until their engines failed on all 3, something they said they expected and were using as an experiment and learning experience. This 2.2L I4 diesel coming in the US 6 is 173hp @ 4500rpm and 310lb/ft at 2000rpm with a 2 stage turbo and weighs ~3200 lbs. That's no joking matter.

Part of the problem is that giant black plastic cave that they stuck it in. Seriously, WTF happened there? Nissan uses a fairly similar style of radio, but it at least looks like it belongs there.




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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #621 on: February 20, 2013, 03:16:35 AM »

The cave is to mitigate glare from the sun washing out the screen.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #622 on: February 20, 2013, 03:16:52 AM »

It could still be a good passenger car though.  I have a bit of a personal barrier to their reliability though having seen two broken down (new) Mazdas being pushed around as a kid and a Miata driving backwards down the street because it was stuck in reverse.  Was a long time ago though.

Mazdas historically don't do well in snow states - major issues with rust. Other than that they tend to hold up fairly well. As a brand they came in 11th place in JD Power's latest VDS, just above the industry average. Amazingly, Mercedes came in 5th, beating out Honda/Acura. There's been an absolutely incredible turn around at M-B. Less than 10 years ago, there were constant stories of SLs with tops that got stuck halfway open, broken ABC systems, air suspensions, etc etc etc. Good for them.

Not so good, Land Rover. Absolute bottom of the barrel once again. Wamp wamp.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #623 on: February 20, 2013, 03:27:00 AM »

The cave is to mitigate glare from the sun washing out the screen.

I get it, but that doesn't stop it from looking absolutely horrible. Honda at least tried.

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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #624 on: February 20, 2013, 03:33:28 AM »

Personally I'd go for the Mazda cave so I could go aftermarket though OEs are making that a dying market as is evident on the newer integrated systems.  People with my perspective are about as rare as people that build their own PCs so....
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #625 on: February 20, 2013, 03:37:07 AM »

Get the car w/o the nav.  Put this in instead. http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Car/GPS-Navigation/AVIC-Z150BH Or use your phone for gps and just put in a better dedicated source and/or screen w/ a static back facing camera.

Meh, depending on gearing it's gonna be 0-62 in about 7 secs, give or take.  Assuming they put a manual on it and not a CVT (then revise to 8.5-9 secs).

Le Mans racing isn't really about ultimate speed, but managing reliabilty and pit stops.  Diesel and Hybrid means less time in the pits compared to faster cars that blow through fuel.  Of course you mentioned it already failed in the reliability part.
How does aftermarket stereo work with built in backup cameras? I really want a backup camera, and luckily the cars I'm looking at have them. One of the main times I drive is near sunset most of the year and this makes the rear glass almost useless with glare (at the right angles) and side mirrors are only so good. I have backed into someone before even after trying to look through my rear glass and mirrors. It was their fault since they literally parked less than 1 car length behind my car (next to a curb, not an actual parking place) so they could run into a store, but how the laws work it had to be my fault as I was the moving vehicle. They could have pulled into the spot right next to me, but then they would have had to walk a whole extra 10-15 feet! God forbid.

Backup cameras are only available on auto cars from most manufacturers and Mazda is no exception. No-one knows if the diesel will even be offered with a manual. The Cruze is auto only, but Mazda likes to do their own thing from time to time, so there is a better chance of it happening. Is a backup camera something that can be added to a manual car via aftermarket?

Regarding the racer diesels, the fact that they took a 173hp motor and pushed it up to 400hp using more than half stock motor parts is pretty impressive. With that many stock parts and that much of an increase.. failure was basically certain.

I'm kinda stupid on car stereo and electronics so don't assume I know anything about cameras and stereos and such. I do know the Mazda uses a double DIN which is an easy swap for aftermarket so that is nice.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #626 on: February 20, 2013, 03:52:11 AM »

OEM rear view cameras only work while driving in reverse due to legal fears by the car company.  If you wan't a reverse camera while driving forward it needs to be an aftermarket build.  I've been wanting to replace my side views w/ cameras for awhile too.

Depends on how you define 'parts'.  To go from 173hp to 400hp I only need to change one or two 'parts'.  The cylinder head and/or a single stage race  turbo. Half the parts changed is a lot tbh.  Most aftermarket builds typically change far less of a proportion than that.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #627 on: February 20, 2013, 03:59:55 AM »

Ah really. Didn't know it was that simple. I figured you had to change some main pieces, but then to reinforce those you had to replace others which also need to be reinforced, etc etc. til you end up with basically an entirely different engine.

I don't want a rear camera all the time, just when I'm backing up. I saw on the Pioneer site that it has an input for a back up camera. Does it change to that automatically or do I have to change it manually?
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #628 on: February 20, 2013, 04:27:43 AM »

I get the feeling it might be best if you just get the standard factory equipment unless you are mechanically and electrically inclined, otherwise it could get pricey w/ complications.
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Nah it's a turbo which makes making power a lot simpler.  For NA it's much more intensive because you don't have a compressor ramming air into the inake and down to the cylinder.  BMW http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M12 and Toyota had stock blocks in the 80's and 90's capable of making 1,000 hp on a dyno just by adding a turbo and dumping in more fuel.  Boost is basically cheating for engineers unless you are flying and have to worry about altitude and atmospheric pressure where it become necessary or have a restriction on engine size versus power reqt like ships.

For strength all you need is a strong crank (most stock Japanese cranks used to be forged steel and nearly perfectly balanced, even in my old 90's Corolla), a block that won't explode (most old blocks were cast iron, check), maybe some port and valve work on the cylinder heads and race spec'd valve springs to handle higher sustained RPMs w/o valve train float, and new Cams and lobes w/ the appropriate lift and duration for the RPM range you expect to operate at.  Stock fuel injectors can usually do 400hp believe it or not, perhaps a new fuel rail and pump to get the gas flowing.  New exhaust manifold and downpipe to match the exhaust with the gain from the intake.

There's a reason you had 1,000hp Supras and Skylines from the 90s.  A lot of their stock internals were built like tanks.  A standard Corolla engine from the 80's and 90's was built to much higher specification and tighter tolerances than a typical Corvette engine from 5 years ago and likely exceeds current ones in certain areas.  I have a 90's stock JDM 1.6L short block Toyota engine from Japan that was modeled after a F1 Cosworth with heads engineered by Yamaha using 5 valves per cylinder and individual throttle bodies.  Still looking for the right vintage Toyo for it. 
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #629 on: February 22, 2013, 10:04:53 AM »

Wow, prototype for the 1997 Corvette.  Look familiar?


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