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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #380 on: November 16, 2012, 01:14:05 AM »

Well if anyone doesn't want an Outback or Crosstrek because they are lifted, they can buy an Impreza or Legacy.  Same cars. 

My old hand me down '92 Corolla was a great car.  I pushed that to the limit more than any other vehicle on a regular basis and beat it to death.  It did a 720 degree spinout during El Nino and slammed into a freeway divider at 75mph.  Shifted the whole front end over more than a few inches and the car still ran and kept running another couple hundred miles to get me home.  That with the Hachiroku a friend had I would never rip the corolla like that.  The only Corolla I did not like persoanlly was the 2003-2008 generation which was Toyota's collaboration w/ GM at the Calty plant during it's worst. 

There was a decent article in either Road and Track or Motor Trend a few months back about car design compromises and safety regs, can't seem to find an online version atm.  The throttle defeat is an ECU feature added to cut the throttle when you engage the brake to placate the dummy's who cried out after trying to inadvertently kill themselves due to idiocy.  Won't bother most people except I left foot brake so often can have the gas and brake engaged simultaneously.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #381 on: November 16, 2012, 01:16:30 AM »

Prius is more fun if you just push it hard and search the limits.  When you hear the tires screach and the car feels like it's about to tip over, it's quite fun.   :D   We have a 2001 and they have no sway bars, it's hilarious!


Oh yeah, 2001 w/ 150k miles, same battery pack, still gets 38-39mpg w/o hypermiling driving regularly.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #382 on: November 16, 2012, 01:57:02 AM »

I was just thinking today that it's SORTA fun driving the Prius (in a completely different way) by watching the electric motor gauge for hypermiling. It's almost like a video game. But then I realized other cars on the road must be cursing at me since I'm driving like a pussy. But this car is so disconnected from the road, it almost forces you to drive like an old man.

My parents have a 2007 with about 170K miles getting about 46-47mpg. Same battery pack as well, and no issues whatsoever with it. I remember when Priuses first came out, everyone was scared of the batteries dying and saying it will cost like 10K for a new one. There was actually a Consumer Reports article last year where they tested a 10-year-old Prius with 200K miles on it, and all the performance numbers were near identical to test numbers when it was new.

And speaking of limits -- my college roommate had a Toyota Minivan from the 80's with leaf spring suspension that he used to push the limits on. Not cool when you're a passenger and the car is tipped over 45 degrees to the ground.  :-00
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #383 on: November 16, 2012, 01:59:28 AM »

The Prius is not fun to drive. That's why I ended up with the Lexus CT200h instead.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #384 on: November 16, 2012, 02:03:09 AM »

I imagine it being so powered and automated you can't feel the road at all. 

I wish Honda hadn't just copied the prius.  Their original insight was still my favorite Hybrid.  It's actually fun to drive if you don't mind a really underpowered car.  It's super light, and actually handles really well.  I was surprised how stiff the suspension was.  Also comes in stick shift.  I would have bought one if not for the non-existent trunk. 
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #385 on: November 16, 2012, 04:08:46 AM »

Wow, Head-fi speak moves to the automotive world.

"This is a great engine. V8. All aluminum construction. DOHC. 32 Valves. Direct injection. 4.2 liters of displacement. It's smooth, powerful and revs to its 7,000 rpm redline like it wants to go to 8,000. It's not the largest V8 in the large, luxury sedan class, and with 372 hp, nor is it the most powerful. But it feels special in the A8 and its personality and demeanor perfectly match Audi's unique mix of sport and luxury. But this engine's best feature is the way it looks...Audi gets it." — Scott Oldham
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #386 on: November 16, 2012, 07:14:11 AM »

Yeah, I don't think Corolla buyers have given up on life, they just don't care about cars. Let's face it, if you want a cheap, reliable appliance for getting from point a to point b, and you neither know nor care one whit about cars, the Corolla will be at the top of your list. A friend of mine had one, and he certainly falls into that category, though he's trading it in for a Scion iQ. Don't ask.

Ditto on the new Accord, it's seems to be a whole lot better than the last one. And the old Accords are still nowhere near as hideous as the monstrosities Acura has been putting out lately. Yikes. Talk about completely going off your rocker and losing touch with your customers.

Also, it's very annoying to finally convince yourself that you don't want a 335 (with n54), and then driving one for a while and realizing that all your self-rationalization was totally pointless, and that you still want one to the point where nothing else will do.

I guess. I just don't understand how somebody can look at the competition, genuinely engaging cars like the Focus, Mazda3, Elantra GT, etc and go, no no no, I just want a soulless shit box. I think that's the idea, Corolla buyers never look at those cars at all.

To me its like buying concrete blocks for shoes, the Corolla is about as exciting as a concrete block. Sure a concrete block is a terrible shoe, but it will never wear out and it's always reliable. Clarkson had a great line about people who's only transportation care is reliability: "that's like saying all I want from a girlfriend is punctuality."

Most mainstream cars are not that great to drive, but they at least don't bother me. Toyotas are really the only cars that genuinely bother me with their terribleness. The terrible seats, the TERRIBLE steering, handling, etc. It's like none of the engineers could bother to give half a shit, just stamp it out and ship it. That's the way GM and Buick especially used to build products 15 years ago, but even they are trying now. I'd take a Verano or a Regal over anything with a Toyota badge on it in a heartbeat. That's not to say I'm a Buick fan, but somebody there at least is trying. Toyotas to me seem like sausage making.

The only Acura I have ever really liked is the Legend. Vigors and TLs only sold because the competition from Infiniti was even worse, although admittedly I've always had a bit of a soft spot for the J30's oddball charm. The I30 was always just a Maxima GLE in drag, but the J30 was the real thing, and they were impeccably well built and way better to drive than any ES short of perhaps the 2013.

Good cars will have that effect on you. Cars should not be entirely rational purchases. Life is short, drive what you like  :)p4
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #387 on: November 16, 2012, 07:46:01 AM »

Historically and presently speaking by comparison.  Fords catch fire, sync is shit, Hyundais have crap wiring and electrical, Mazda is not the most reliable fo japanese brands either (the Ford years were terrible).  The Corolla is the number one selling car in the world and the most popular car used in Afghanistan.  FOR A REASON.  As a whole, they don't stop working!  That's most people's number one priority in a car, getting from point A > B.  Especially if people are shooting at you w/ AK47s in the middle of the desert.  After only a year or two where GM and Ford moved up in the relaibility rankings to near the top 5, they've dropped down again to Chrysler standards out of the top 10.

So people can enjoy their drive to the shop all they like.  That's what German cars are for afterall. 
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #388 on: November 16, 2012, 08:40:49 AM »

The Lexus is sharp looking Purrin. A colleague got it as a loaner car when she had her RX330 in service.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #389 on: November 16, 2012, 08:45:32 AM »

People also buy cars like corollas because they are socially a safe purchase.  They are popular, and they are designed to offend the least number of people, so you're making as little a statement as possible with your car for those who aren't confident enough to make a statement or don't want to or just want to fit in. 

Of course that's not everyone's reason, but that's a big factor along with the things Anax mentioned.

Many people buy Beats or go along with fashion trends for similar reasons.  It's a safe purchase, you know how people are going to react or not react because the meaning of the product is well established, or it just has little meaning. 
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