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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #240 on: September 17, 2012, 10:41:39 PM »

The one company that knocks my socks off with their interiors is Pagani. Just incredible, I don't think even the Veyron interior is this impressive.

Too bad the exterior of the Huayra looks kinda derpy. Kind of like a baby baleen whale. Still, I like it. My crazy-ass older brother is thinking about getting a Pagani.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #241 on: September 17, 2012, 10:56:56 PM »

[pedantic git]Supra is an inline 6[/pedantic git]. Also we're not in the 90s anymore. CAFE regulations are going to hit, which means that for a volume manufacturer it makes a lot more sense to release a sports car along the lines of the BMW i8 prototype than following the classic formula. Besides, where does the classic formula start? Is it a twin turbo 6? Is it a NA6? Fuel Injection? Knight-cycle engines? Steam? The car industry has gone through so many iterations that just because we see the 90s Japanese cars as iconic doesn't mean that they need to repeat themselves.

Yeah I know, I should've caught that. I used to drive an SC300 so I actually owned that engine in naturally aspirated form. You could get it in Japan with the proper Supra engine as the Soarer 3.0T, but here they sold the SC400 instead. My feeling is when you think Japan, you think small displacement, turbos, and usually AWD. Until this generation, the Skyline only had 2.8L (and I think it was an inline 6 also) but just like the Supra you could get insane horsepower from it. The "276hp" of the NSX and R34 GT-R were just jumping off points thanks to the power limit in place at the time.

The future of super cars? Porsche 918 hybrid, Audi R8 E-tron, whatever Honda ends up doing with the next NSX.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #242 on: September 17, 2012, 11:14:26 PM »

My thoughts on hybrids are kinda mixed. With the conventional hybrid system, you do get to capture a lot of the energy you lose while braking and sitting idle in traffic, but at the same time you're also carrying around two separate power trains, and the fuel savings need to outweigh the increase in mass (pun not intentional), and compared to diesel, I'm not sure if they do. The other system - essentially range-extended electric - is a lot more attractive on paper, but impractical for anyone that doesn't have a garage where they can safely charge their car overnight, which is a pretty small part of the car-buying public. And of course you still have the issue of carrying around the engine/generator, while in order to maximize efficiency you want to not use it. Plus, I'm not sure if our power grid can handle a switch to electric, or if we have the necessary money to expand it. More nuclear power is a pretty sure-fire way to political suicide these days but it's going to be pretty necessary and pretty soon.

Still, as Leno's fond of saying, the last days of an old technology are always better than the first days of a new technology. Though if you think hybrids are new, you should read up on the 1913 Owen Magnetic.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #243 on: September 18, 2012, 06:38:06 AM »

Too bad the exterior of the Huayra looks kinda derpy. Kind of like a baby baleen whale. Still, I like it. My crazy-ass older brother is thinking about getting a Pagani.

Agreed. I've always preferred Koenigsegg to Pagani at that extreme level. Their cars are just wicked. I can't wait for Clarkson to take on this monster on some future TG episode. 



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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #244 on: September 18, 2012, 06:54:05 AM »

My thoughts on hybrids are kinda mixed. With the conventional hybrid system, you do get to capture a lot of the energy you lose while braking and sitting idle in traffic, but at the same time you're also carrying around two separate power trains, and the fuel savings need to outweigh the increase in mass (pun not intentional), and compared to diesel, I'm not sure if they do. The other system - essentially range-extended electric - is a lot more attractive on paper, but impractical for anyone that doesn't have a garage where they can safely charge their car overnight, which is a pretty small part of the car-buying public. And of course you still have the issue of carrying around the engine/generator, while in order to maximize efficiency you want to not use it. Plus, I'm not sure if our power grid can handle a switch to electric, or if we have the necessary money to expand it. More nuclear power is a pretty sure-fire way to political suicide these days but it's going to be pretty necessary and pretty soon.

Still, as Leno's fond of saying, the last days of an old technology are always better than the first days of a new technology. Though if you think hybrids are new, you should read up on the 1913 Owen Magnetic.

Oh I know hybrids are nothing new. What's funny is the idea of a city with charging stations at every corner sounds incredibly futuristic to us. Maybe in 2020 we can all park our Teslas and just plug em in while we go shopping! Aren't we smart! They had that 100 years ago, women would park their Baker Electrics for a day of shopping, and plug them in to Edison chargers.

Diesel is fantastic in a car like the Audi SQ5, but I don't see Audi making RS cars with diesel engines any time soon. Same with Porsche. Panamera or Cayenne diesel yes. 911 diesel - NO.

For the next decade at least, the most likely engines in performance cars will be relatively small displacement direct-injected V6s and V8s with either turbos or superchargers. There's no reason why these engines can't replace today's V-10s and V-12s. The Jaguar XJ220 could run with any hyper car in its day, and it had a TT V6.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #245 on: September 18, 2012, 09:23:55 AM »

The difference between a super car and a hyper car. The Ferrari might as well have been sitting still. It got DESTROYED.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0wYrhWxmPg
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #246 on: September 18, 2012, 11:30:41 AM »

Wow. Impressive. Reminds me of the old "V-Tech just kicked in, yo" meme, only for real.

Iunno tho, hypercars don't seem like they'd be as fun to actually drive as supercars after a while. They're mostly about showing off and looking impossibly cool, and blasting it around a ring would be awesome, but in an actual track with lots of turns and whatnot, am I wrong for thinking the Italia would be a better driver's car? The Koenigseggegegegegeggeg seems like it would be really unwieldy. Like trying to steer an atom bomb.
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #247 on: September 18, 2012, 11:40:38 AM »

I'd still prefer the Huayra however.

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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #248 on: September 18, 2012, 12:18:00 PM »

Wow. Impressive. Reminds me of the old "V-Tech just kicked in, yo" meme, only for real.

Iunno tho, hypercars don't seem like they'd be as fun to actually drive as supercars after a while. They're mostly about showing off and looking impossibly cool, and blasting it around a ring would be awesome, but in an actual track with lots of turns and whatnot, am I wrong for thinking the Italia would be a better driver's car? The Koenigseggegegegegeggeg seems like it would be really unwieldy. Like trying to steer an atom bomb.

I think it depends on the level of driver skill. It's like when Hammond drove the Renault R25 F1 car for Top Gear. He started practicing in a mini-me Formula Renault, a car with a little 2.0L engine. For most people who aren't pro racers, the Formula Renault would probably be more enjoyable to actually drive. The power and the limits are within the mortal realm. When you get to the F1 level, you're at the bleeding edge of what's possible, and what's more it doesn't even work properly unless you're going far faster than most people think they're even capable of. That's just terror, not fun.

Taking the Koenigsegg on a track like VIR and trying to push it to the limit would require WAY more skill than most people will ever have behind the wheel. I think most people would be better off, and would have more fun in a Caterham.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGUZJVY-sHo
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Re: Thinking about a new car, need some help.
« Reply #249 on: September 18, 2012, 04:29:17 PM »

Thought that was Jeremy who did that? Perhaps Hammond did it also, but I distinctly remember Jeremy having to have part of the seat removed to be able to fit in the car, then having to coach himself into taking the corner much faster than he was comfortable doing in order to get the downforce to maintain grip.

Edit: Both did, but I was thinking of different cars. Here's Hammond:

Jeremy drove a Lotus T125 here:
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