Topic: Describe ideal Jazz headphones (Read 3259 times)

playboiiz · « **Reply #30 on:** July 09, 2015, 03:22:41 PM »

Quote from: LFF on July 07, 2015, 03:35:46 AM

This, as with most things in this hobby, will really come down to personal preference.

My measure of "sonic goodness" is real life. I enjoy going to local jazz clubs and listening to music LIVE. When I listen on my playback systems, I want my music to sound as lifelike as possible. In order to get that experience, the real measure of sonic replication then comes down to source material. If the source material is great, then any neutral sounding headphone will give you the presentation you want. Some people want bass extension falsely believing they are missing the low bass when, in reality, there is NO low bass. I also see a lot of noobs recommending bright headphones because they are "highly resolving". This is bullshit. They aren't highly resolving - they are just giving you MORE treble. Resolution spans the entire frequency range - not just the high end. The real magic in music is in the mid-range. If you can find a headphone that accurately reproduces mid-range, then you should be fine. Tailor to your preferences after that.

My personal preference is to have a neutral headphone. I want to hear what's on those grooves, what's encoded on that tape, what those bits are doing, etc. There is no system out there that will fix a crap sounding source.

Can I ask what headphone you reccommend? your explanation seems like what I love to hear!

elan_vital · « **Reply #31 on:** July 09, 2015, 05:10:39 PM »

Quote from: Deep Funk on July 09, 2015, 07:40:34 AM

My AKG K181DJ has that switch. Here is another example.

Some DJ headphones sound better than you think. The Stanton is one of them...

Thanks. i'll be adding it to the searchable specs on my site. Was not aware of that function being available or desirable. I guess DJs often monitor in mono to match the mono output of the PA. I can also see wanting to hear recordings which were recorded in mono be reproduced in mono.

Deep Funk · « **Reply #32 on:** July 09, 2015, 05:29:47 PM »

Quote from: elan_vital on July 09, 2015, 05:10:39 PM

Thanks. i'll be adding it to the searchable specs on my site. Was not aware of that function being available or desirable. I guess DJs often monitor in mono to match the mono output of the PA. I can also see wanting to hear recordings which were recorded in mono be reproduced in mono.

You can make it easier. Try to find a on old amplifier with switches and knobs from the vinyl era and breathe some new live into it. You can pick those oldies up for next to nothing and they are usually completely analogue. Which means that you can modify them, improve the signal chain and even "tube them up" if you have the skills.

Old studio and DJ-system amplifiers from Philips and Pioneer among other brands can be turned into audiophile machines. Sansui and Fisher tend to cost more but you can find affordable good ones.

elan_vital · « **Reply #33 on:** August 13, 2015, 01:05:00 AM »

I have updated the attribute selection for what i would would want my Jazz Cans to sound like http://www.acqurate.com/559c4db411f5306c72254e56
Wondering if the the community would agree with how i adjusted the importance of each attribute, keeping in mind my leanings are towards lush mids and extended lows, perhaps at expense of neutrality and resolution. With more reviews for each headphone, relative scoring should get better and better, but i'm also wondering if at this point the system returns decent selection at each different prices.

n3rdling · « **Reply #34 on:** August 13, 2015, 02:32:01 AM »

Quote from: elan_vital on August 13, 2015, 01:05:00 AM

my leanings are towards lush mids and extended lows, perhaps at expense of neutrality and resolution.

Sounds like LCD-3 to me.

elan_vital · « **Reply #35 on:** August 13, 2015, 02:49:08 AM »

Quote from: n3rdling on August 13, 2015, 02:32:01 AM

Sounds like LCD-3 to me.

That's great to hear as they did make the top of the list.

ericfarrell85 · « **Reply #36 on:** August 13, 2015, 03:26:55 AM »

Eh, LCD-3 is too sluggish for jazz imo. They don't impart musical dynamics and seem to render too much information at the same volume. They have two-three volume levels, where a SR007/009 has six or seven. In other words, when it comes to nuances, they're flat and sterile. For most varieties of rock, metal, shoegaze, industrial and trip-hop they're the shit. Jazz needs a more nimble headphone I think.

elan_vital · « **Reply #37 on:** August 13, 2015, 04:29:23 AM »

Quote from: ericfarrell85 on August 13, 2015, 03:26:55 AM

Eh, LCD-3 is too sluggish for jazz imo. They don't impart musical dynamics and seem to render too much information at the same volume. They have two-three volume levels, where a SR007/009 has six or seven. In other words, when it comes to nuances, they're flat and sterile. For most varieties of rock, metal, shoegaze, industrial and trip-hop they're the shit. Jazz needs a more nimble headphone I think.

SR007's made it in 3rd place, which i think is not bad given that we need lots more reviews of these headphones to achieve a more nuanced refinement between each of the attributes. (read - there are still some gaps in data), but i think its getting there. if i add more priority to neutral sound, HD800's take the top spot. The system is just a starting point (its like a good cross-section of top contenders), so further refined opinions of individualized perspectives are so important and can never be substituted, especially when the discourse gets to be so discrete. P.S. We should add "nimble" to the Pyrate Glossary http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,2468.0.html

ericfarrell85 · « **Reply #38 on:** August 13, 2015, 05:00:13 AM »

No disrespect to the Philips X1 and the HD700 (ok, a little disrespect since the latter really does sound like

), but where is the HD6x0 series? Take a HD650 plug it into a Zana Deux and you'll have found the Elysian Fields with Art Tatum and Bill Evans taking turns on the piano in the parlor. Seriously, you need to slot the HD650 in there; which oh by the way comes at a fraction of the LCD's cost and handles the genre better to boot.

Marvey · « **Reply #39 on:** August 13, 2015, 05:22:57 AM »

Get an HD600, HD650, or HD800 with a top shelf amp (see HD800 amp list) and DAC or SR007mk1/SR009 with a top shelf amp (KGST or T2) and DAC and begone (or report back how we were full of crap and gave you bad advice). In other words, use the ericfarrel85 jazz headphone picker engine.

www.acqurate.com can go shove its fist up port 80.

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