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Describe ideal Jazz headphones
« on: July 07, 2015, 12:38:29 AM »

Not looking for a specific headphone recommendation. Question is about attributes and qualities. Specially qualities which can be qualifiable via reviewing and can be scored (i.e. soundstage).  Im trying to define what an ideal Jazz Headphone should be and am wondering what the community thinks are the key features of such headphones. Here is how i see it - on the spec side i made circum-aural and Open design as essential, and on the reviewable (more subjective side) I have prioritized; Soundstage as most important, Highs, Mids and Bass as all equally important (for a balanced sound). Mind you i have added Bass extension as somewhat important to get a bit fuller sound (Dave Holland was asking for that one). Also, bonus points are added to comfortable fit for those long sessions.  I do understand that some might like that cutting sound, border-lining on sibilance, in which case Detail extension would be prioritized. Or those who wish to have uncoloured sounding headphones in which case priority should be placed on cans which score high in the Neutral Sound realm. Anyhow. I'm wondering what everyone considers to be an ideal set of attributes. Its like a reverse search approach - Let's define the attributes and see which cans fit those criteria in terms of both specs and subjective attributes (for this the glossary thread http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,2468.0.html to find descriptive language might work well). In short, i'm looking for a set of rules which will define or get close to defining what great Jazz Cans should be.
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Re: Describe ideal Jazz headphones
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2015, 03:35:46 AM »

This, as with most things in this hobby, will really come down to personal preference.


My measure of "sonic goodness" is real life. I enjoy going to local jazz clubs and listening to music LIVE. When I listen on my playback systems, I want my music to sound as lifelike as possible. In order to get that experience, the real measure of sonic replication then comes down to source material. If the source material is great, then any neutral sounding headphone will give you the presentation you want. Some people want bass extension falsely believing they are missing the low bass when, in reality, there is NO low bass. I also see a lot of noobs recommending bright headphones because they are "highly resolving". This is bullshit. They aren't highly resolving - they are just giving you MORE treble. Resolution spans the entire frequency range - not just the high end. The real magic in music is in the mid-range. If you can find a headphone that accurately reproduces mid-range, then you should be fine. Tailor to your preferences after that.




My personal preference is to have a neutral headphone. I want to hear what's on those grooves, what's encoded on that tape, what those bits are doing, etc. There is no system out there that will fix a crap sounding source. 

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Re: Describe ideal Jazz headphones
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2015, 04:00:18 AM »

Precise laser locked imaging. Tons of (full-range) resolution and inner harmonics and micro detail. Excellent sense of space and air between performers. Big slamming macro dynamics. Articulate and nuanced micro dynamics. Wide gamut tonal color. Solid bass punch and impact all the way to sweet but splashy and jarring treble crash (not over smoothed plastic treble). The ability to render an almost vivid 3D sonic picture that can see all the way through wet and smoky vocals on a good master. In other words modded HD800.
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Re: Describe ideal Jazz headphones
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2015, 04:07:31 AM »

Precise laser locked imaging. Tons of (full-range) resolution and inner harmonics and micro detail. Excellent sense of space and air between performers. Big slamming macro dynamics. Articulate and nuanced micro dynamics. Wide gamut tonal color. Solid bass punch and impact all the way to sweet but splashy and jarring treble crash (not over smoothed plastic treble). The ability to render an almost vivid 3D sonic picture that can see all the way through wet and smoky vocals on a good master. In other words modded HD800.

Modded HD800 doesn't have lasers!
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Re: Describe ideal Jazz headphones
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2015, 04:10:23 AM »

Modded HD800 doesn't have lasers!

Because you stole them and left them at the last stripper joint! GG.
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Re: Describe ideal Jazz headphones
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2015, 04:11:12 AM »

Modded HD800 doesn't have lasers!

...and the HD800 mods remove all the detail!  :'(
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Re: Describe ideal Jazz headphones
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2015, 04:16:11 AM »

Because you stole them and left them at the last stripper joint! GG.

Bah! Foiled by those greedy strippers! Ahh....reminds me of this...

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Re: Describe ideal Jazz headphones
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2015, 04:30:17 AM »

...and the HD800 mods remove all the detail!  :'(

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Re: Describe ideal Jazz headphones
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2015, 06:55:29 AM »

Jazz.. it recovers a large range of music..... what are we talking about here ? Diana Krall or Cecil Taylor? Old 50s Hardbop/bebop or modern Fusion ? European contemporary Jazz or Frank Sinatra ? Sun ra Orchestra or Keith Jarret solos ?






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Re: Describe ideal Jazz headphones
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2015, 06:58:17 AM »

This, as with most things in this hobby, will really come down to personal preference.


My measure of "sonic goodness" is real life. I enjoy going to local jazz clubs and listening to music LIVE. When I listen on my playback systems, I want my music to sound as lifelike as possible. In order to get that experience, the real measure of sonic replication then comes down to source material. If the source material is great, then any neutral sounding headphone will give you the presentation you want. Some people want bass extension falsely believing they are missing the low bass when, in reality, there is NO low bass. I also see a lot of noobs recommending bright headphones because they are "highly resolving". This is bullshit. They aren't highly resolving - they are just giving you MORE treble. Resolution spans the entire frequency range - not just the high end. The real magic in music is in the mid-range. If you can find a headphone that accurately reproduces mid-range, then you should be fine. Tailor to your preferences after that.




My personal preference is to have a neutral headphone. I want to hear what's on those grooves, what's encoded on that tape, what those bits are doing, etc. There is no system out there that will fix a crap sounding source. 



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