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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #240 on: August 14, 2015, 06:32:10 PM »

As in the MSB is a usb to spdif convertor Mike ? Sorry I'm not following you. This is a DAC thread, I'm posting about DACs ...

You can catch up here:
http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,2500.msg77378.html#msg77378
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #242 on: August 14, 2015, 06:52:10 PM »

No worries. :)p5
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #243 on: August 14, 2015, 07:29:46 PM »

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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #244 on: August 14, 2015, 08:18:09 PM »

Hrm... gonna have to order myself an AES cable and try Yggy being fed from my TASCAM-DA3000.  Inconvenient but it might be worth it.
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #245 on: August 14, 2015, 11:46:55 PM »

Frenchbat, no spanking should be needed here. We are about to clarify matters a bit further for inquisitive minds.

Going back to the post you were quoted:
The logical construct is good but the entire rationale imo is wrong. And that is normal because what I am using as upstream to the DAC seems to be unfamiliar at best, from reading the comments. The CD player used is good (btw 6moons - not my favourite, but few are; however I recommend reading the content of the article within its actual context). What could be going on here, may simply be that there is no actual "mageek" the CD Player can produce in my context. The network streamer & LPS powered USB I am using is already clean and much more free of ubiquitous PC related nastiness than should be the case. The CD player sounds good, it is organic, analogic and effortless sounding (you guys probably remember I was actually quite pleased with how the CD transport sounded based on my CS IRC comments), but the USB ended up as preferable for both sound and convenience with both Yggy and MSB. This is 2015, so it makes sense to invest time in using modern technology. I thought that was one of points with Yggy vs Theta - a great R2R modern DAC. We are now told the Yggy USB sucks - I don't actually agree. It's decent/good. Part of the problem imo is PCs are crap at providing clean USB signal and I know better than many that it is not an easy fix.

Of course what I am saying will likely not convince any legacy technology supporters and that's not the point I want to make. The point is the MSB Analog with the latest firmware and Quad USB is imo sounding consistently better than Yggy at most of what matters. It also beats Yggy at Yggy's strengths. The Theta V A however has a couple of things on the MSB, which is why the latter is still in the cards for me even if for a hilarious/amazing time its bass/explosive transients provide. I obviously recommend hearing the MSB, sufficiently much that I bought it and replaced the Yggy as my main DAC. Happy listening!

Going back to CD players it's not that I disagree or don't trust what is being said, but I have to hear it first, comparatively in my system. So far, I was not convinced. Again this is not a case of black and white.

So here's what I plan to do: I will be getting an MSB Signature V stack here to audition and I will also try to get the MSB transport, probably the Platinum Data CD IV. I've not heard the transport at home, but I am hoping it's rather suitable. If I think it's worthwhile, I will comment on how an Yggy performs in the mix, with the MSB Analog and Sig V. If I think we're looking at a too big of a gap in SQ, I will be honest and fair to Yggy and not include it, but I can let you guys know. This is all with an open mind, if the Sig V is not worthwhile, that will also be stated.
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #246 on: August 15, 2015, 12:25:44 AM »

I don't think anyone is saying that the Yggy USB sucks. Anax and I are stating that our experience with our spinners (after collectively going through probably a dozen or more by now), has been that they (at least the ones we ended up keeping) are better than the Yggy's built-in USB (and PWD2 USB) implementation. Over the last year or two, both of us have migrated more toward using CDP over USB despite the slight inconvenience.

I do think it was worthwhile for us to point out that our experience with "coax" differs quite dramatically from yours with your East Sound CDP. Honestly, I have a hard time believing a Chinese CD Player is going to be a good transport.

My only concern with the review is use of the word "COAX" which is sort of a wrong implication (I've been guilty of this in the past). Not all CD transports are created equal, and some very expensive modern ones we've tried were unimpressive.
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #247 on: August 15, 2015, 12:34:24 AM »

If it's about terminology particularities please try to excuse it. I've lived in the UK for a few years now, but I am continental European and English language is not my mother tongue. If I used the latter nobody here would understand a thing though. =)
I am puzzled about the issue with a "Chinese CD Player". There are some very good Chinese brands, to name a few: Audio GD, Hifiman, Xindak, Line Magnetic and I could enumerate a few more. There are bad ones too.

I am willing to try more CD transports and given the possibility I will do so further. However as noted above, my preference is I'd rather focus my efforts towards USB/streaming technology. You guys are doing a great job with keeping CD players alive.
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #248 on: August 15, 2015, 12:51:17 AM »

Haha. That's cool. Honestly, going down the CD transport path is a can of worms and definitely not recommended (along with going down the vinyl path). Only the Changstar crazies are doing this. (Yes, there is a secret club of CD transport and to-be(again) vinyl guys).
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #249 on: August 15, 2015, 01:10:48 AM »

1-I take no issue with people using streaming or USB in the reviews because it's '2015'. I have issues if people take those impressions to be definitive or comprehensive. Hey, the more data the better, and i think it's good for people to have counter arguments or counter experiences to report. I've already shown how various changes in a source chain can yield starkly contrasting and inconsistent results from one rig to another. People need to be mindful of all the variables and permutations to make informed decisions. Most us here tend to focus on absolute sonic performance over convenience when making definitive claims though.

2-2015 doesn't really mean anything as far as progress. If it did, people should ditch R2R and stick with D/S or get a Sabre DAC. Forget vinyl!!

3-Nobody here said to get an Yggy over a Theta just because it has USB to my knowledge. In my time with them, the Yggy does plenty of things better than the Theta. Referring to it as some sort of watered down Theta DAC with USB completely misses what it does better than the Theta DAC. Theta is warmer for sure and has a blacker background in the analog output, but the Yggy is cleaner, more precise and offers a more see-through clarity IME.

4-Your review clearly indicates your CD transport sounds less competent than USB. That was a huge redflag to me based on my experience. I have yet to hear any USB or offramp implementation rival or best a reference transport. I'm willing to hear new and better things, and would love to give up playing with discs if you are right. Till you or anyone else can demonstrate my ears wrong, I'll take impressions of USB sounding better with a grain of salt based purely on my own experience.

5-What's so special about the MSB transport? Is this the one using Oppo's video playback for Blurays? Both the best Oppo player they have and PS Audio's PWT with memory playback+I2S were crushed by my vintage transport. Look into trying out the best Esoteric transport or get a Boulder if you don't like vintage stuff. Getting a transport that can also playback Blurays is a rather large red flag to me. Again, if convenience is your thing, maybe that makes sense.
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