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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #230 on: August 14, 2015, 05:28:11 PM »
On the CD transport thing, all modern transports seem to suck with the exception of the refrigerator sized super-high-end units and maybe the last of the Sonys (if Sony still makes them). Better off with vintage stuff from yesteryear, whether it be the high-end (Theta, CEC, Teac VRDS based units), or slightly lower tier, i.e. Sony/Denon (when they used to be good).

I've said this before, the transport is 20-50% of a DACs sound.

USB is convenient... but I know some of you know that I have gone back to spinners. I've also rid myself of USB->SPDIF converters. You know, there is a good reason why I've shown the Eddie Current stuff at the meets with spinners+DAC instead of computers.

Quote from: Anaxilus on August 14, 2015, 04:21:57 PM
It's like using your wipers and fluid on a slightly dusty windshield.


^

USB has a haze to it.


P.S. This does make me curious about the MSB Analog again. It's entirely possibly that MSB's old USB solution (which was really old), held the Analog back, not too dissimilar to like how the AGD M7 blew chunks without the OR5 i2s. Anyone know where I can find an MSB dealer to actually audition their stuff? Their dealer network in the USA seems to be shot.
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #231 on: August 14, 2015, 05:44:05 PM »
Quote from: hans030390 on August 14, 2015, 04:43:12 PM
OK, so, treble could stand to be smoother sometimes. How does it compare in that aspect to some of the common USB->SPDIF converters? Is it just a smoothness issue or something deeper with overall tone, timbre, or general perceived frequency balance?

Every USB>SPDIF converter I've heard adds a veil or coloration. Just a matter of how badly. I haven't tried them all, but quite a few. The treble thing is just a sort of narrow band scratchy digital thing not uncommon for solid-state stuff. It's from my particular transport. It's because treble on cymbals can sound really organic and sweet in the fundamental, but then the harmonic can sound a little splashy or etched so you notice it more.

I too am curious about the newer Analog. Let me know if you find one Merv and we'll DAC it off.
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #232 on: August 14, 2015, 05:47:53 PM »
Quote from: Anaxilus on August 14, 2015, 05:44:05 PM
I too am curious about the newer Analog. Let me know if you find one Merv and we'll DAC it off.

They are in Watsonville, but I've heard they don't take too kindly to people who want to visit. Gotta go through this guy first:
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #233 on: August 14, 2015, 05:49:45 PM »
We've seen him at The Show before I'm pretty sure. I have some thoughts on how to make it happen if it becomes difficult.
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #234 on: August 14, 2015, 06:07:13 PM »
Quote from: Anaxilus on August 14, 2015, 05:44:05 PM
Every USB>SPDIF converter I've heard adds a veil or coloration. Just a matter of how badly. I haven't tried them all, but quite a few. The treble thing is just a sort of narrow band scratchy digital thing not uncommon for solid-state stuff. It's from my particular transport. It's because treble on cymbals can sound really organic and sweet in the fundamental, but then the harmonic can sound a little splashy or etched so you notice it more.

OK, thanks for the info! Guess I'd just have to hear it for myself. Sounds like you haven't found another CDP that captures everything you mentioned without this treble quality, correct? I'm curious how a good SD player would sound compared to USB->SPDIF or a CDP, but I'll ask that in the other thread to get this one back on track.
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #235 on: August 14, 2015, 06:19:13 PM »
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P.S. This does make me curious about the MSB Analog again. It's entirely possibly that MSB's old USB solution (which was really old), held the Analog back, not too dissimilar to like how the AGD M7 blew chunks without the OR5 i2s. Anyone know where I can find an MSB dealer to actually audition their stuff? Their dealer network in the USA seems to be shot.
Our friend Negura here does prefer the MSB analog with the upgraded USB module to the Yggy. 

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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #236 on: August 14, 2015, 06:20:25 PM »
Quote from: hans030390 on August 14, 2015, 06:07:13 PM
OK, thanks for the info! Guess I'd just have to hear it for myself. Sounds like you haven't found another CDP that captures everything you mentioned without this treble quality, correct? I'm curious how a good SD player would sound compared to USB->SPDIF or a CDP, but I'll ask that in the other thread to get this one back on track.


Some Esoterics and Boulders sound very good. I just haven't been able to AB them directly. I'm sure there's more out there I haven't heard yet. Now you're talking adding one or two zeros $$.
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #237 on: August 14, 2015, 06:20:47 PM »
Quote from: Anaxilus on August 14, 2015, 05:49:45 PM
We've seen him at The Show before I'm pretty sure. I have some thoughts on how to make it happen if it becomes difficult.

Doesn't that Golden Ears guy on HF have an msb analog dac?
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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #238 on: August 14, 2015, 06:21:10 PM »
Quote from: frenchbat on August 14, 2015, 06:19:13 PM
Our friend Negura here does prefer the MSB analog with the upgraded USB module to the Yggy. 



You haven't read the thread or are you being redundant?

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Re: Purrin's DAC Chart of Awesomeness.
« Reply #239 on: August 14, 2015, 06:24:28 PM »
Quote from: Anaxilus on August 14, 2015, 06:21:10 PM
You haven't read the thread or are you being redundant?
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As in the MSB is a usb to spdif convertor Mike ? Sorry I'm not following you. This is a DAC thread, I'm posting about DACs ...
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