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Author Topic: The Amazing Super Duper Underrated HD650. A Headphone That Kicks Serious Ass.  (Read 51298 times)

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LOL, that's quite a price range.  Looks like I need to hear a pair of CALs.
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It sounds crazy to the uninitiated because the planar drive mechanism is better on paper and a lot of people seem to expect cool-looking, exotic tech and big price tags to go hand-in-hand with superior performance. But the proof is in the pudding. Dynamics tend to be more resolving for whatever reason. I'm not a big believer in Marv's crazy idea that the tension kills resolution, but there's gotta be some reason they have that sound.

I may be incorrect, but from what I understand, the planar membrane is driven from traces outward, and there is a lot of trace area compared to the voice coil. For planars, this could account for the bass (less break up, since more membrane area is directly moved) and clarity (similar reasons, and frequencies are evolved from the large area of the traces). Speed is arguable. The voice coil takes up less area in the membrane proportionally than a planar driver, so the sound is evolved only from a ring, which also simulates a point source of sound. So although the sound may be less clear in the sense of say being from many areas in the driver and reinforcing itself a la chorus (planar), you get the clarity and resolution of one area/ring of the driver a la a solo (voice coil), and thus better hear the timbre, or with headphones, resolution.

So are planars like anti-aliased images vs true resolution of voice coils (more polygons/pixels)?
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So are planars like anti-aliased images vs true resolution of voice coils (more polygons/pixels)?

That's an interesting way to look at it.
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I may be incorrect, but from what I understand, the planar membrane is driven from traces outward, and there is a lot of trace area compared to the voice coil. For planars, this could account for the bass (less break up, since more membrane area is directly moved) and clarity (similar reasons, and frequencies are evolved from the large area of the traces). Speed is arguable. The voice coil takes up less area in the membrane proportionally than a planar driver, so the sound is evolved only from a ring, which also simulates a point source of sound. So although the sound may be less clear in the sense of say being from many areas in the driver and reinforcing itself a la chorus (planar), you get the clarity and resolution of one area/ring of the driver a la a solo (voice coil), and thus better hear the timbre, or with headphones, resolution.

So are planars like anti-aliased images vs true resolution of voice coils (more polygons/pixels)?


I lol'ed
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CAL, MA100, R10.

CALs have "resolution"?  I have a pair, and I think they have a nice tonality and timbre, but I don't feel like they resolve much detail.  Maybe this is where the definition of "resolution" is the key - in this case maybe the CALs don't have any algae or jellyfish or whatever you guys call it, but have the other cues.
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Honest question for you.  What, if any, dynamics do this besides Senns?  It's pretty much always the HD600/650/800 mentioned around here.

The Senns do seem to be the most resolving dynamic headphones that I've heard. Other ones...the Fostex TH900 is pretty resolving despite its effed up tonal balance. I like the DT880 if you can match it with the right tubes...that's a good dynamic sound. If we want to talk cheapies, I think a cheap dynamic like the Tascam TH02 is pretty resolving for $30. I'd prefer a modded TH02 to a modded T50rp.

When you start looking at dynamic woofers it's pretty amazing how resolving they can be. Ask Anax who just plugged in a pair of cheap aluminum cone and silk dome. More clear and lively than any planar headphone. And we're talking $15 4.5" woofers...the catch is they use massive Chinese magnets that are bigger than the basket  :-0
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CALs have "resolution"?  I have a pair, and I think they have a nice tonality and timbre, but I don't feel like they resolve much detail.  Maybe this is where the definition of "resolution" is the key - in this case maybe the CALs don't have any algae or jellyfish or whatever you guys call it, but have the other cues.

Plug into Yggy/Studio. Play Eagles Hotel CA. Compare ability to hear string decay at intro with other headphones. Never said these cans weren't all distorted and shit, but it is possible to hear past this. I wanted to offer an example at low cost - they are pretty good at "plankton" specifically at that price point, but have other serious issues because of the small size of the driver. Sennheisers (HD800/650/600) are better of course. In hindsight I should have just said nothing about CAL or MA100, because this seems to cause confusion. Also resolution does not necessarily = detail.

Yggy changes everything as well as what else you have in the chain. It's no accident ohG didn't hear as much difference between his AGD and Yggy with the HE-6 with preamp with power amp.
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In hindsight I should have just said nothing about CAL or MA100, because this seems to cause confusion.

I like the info, it's interesting to look at cheaper gear that does some things well.
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The Senns do seem to be the most resolving dynamic headphones that I've heard. Other ones...the Fostex TH900 is pretty resolving despite its effed up tonal balance. I like the DT880 if you can match it with the right tubes...that's a good dynamic sound. If we want to talk cheapies, I think a cheap dynamic like the Tascam TH02 is pretty resolving for $30. I'd prefer a modded TH02 to a modded T50rp.


I'd agree with you about the resolving power on the T50RP.  You can't really get over the distortion in the midrange with any mod.  Once you mod them though you can get rid of of their other sins of commission so they end up doing a good job of "getting out of the way" which is my primary criteria for a headphone.

I think the DT880 is probably Beyer's best headphone.  It's got a metallic timbre that I don't really like but it's not as bad as most of the rest of their 'phones.

Overall I think it's more the implementation of a given technology than just that's something's a dynamic, or a 'stat, or a planar magnetic.

I really like most of the Stax that I've heard and the ESP950 as well, but the Kingsounds don't play in the same league.  I really liked the LCD-2r1 I heard but didn't like any of the new fazors as much.  The only HiFiMan I really liked was the HEK with the HE6 as a runner up due to sharpness in treble.  (Haven't heard the 400S yet though...)  IMO Sennheiser is pretty much the king of dynamics and the HD800 is the pinnacle of dynamic headphones.  Actually I think I've liked every Senn I've ever heard except for the HD700.
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A wise sensei once told me....if you like the HD800, get an HD800. If you like the HE6, get an HE6. If you like Abyss, get the Abyss. If you like HE1000, get HE1000.

If you like Stax, fuck off.  :)p13
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