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Author Topic: The Amazing Super Duper Underrated HD650. A Headphone That Kicks Serious Ass.  (Read 51298 times)

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Are mod descriptions on this thread or elsewhere (i.e., where should I look)?
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^Try the first post.
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^Try the first post.

I swear I'm going old and crazy.  I thought I'd read most of the thread from the beginning but I must have been on a different thread.
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^LOL.  Ok.  No worries.
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We need a better way to explain "resolution" to planar people...I think Marv, Anax, ultra and I all hear it but we keep running into this descriptor conundrum when trying to explain it.
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Resolution is, as I have come to define it independently from what I hear as well as what I glean from others, the ability to portray information on the recording. The ability to render the picture/frame in its entirety if we want to use the video analogy. It's not a big leap to extend that definition to include both microdetail (plankton, inner-whatever, etc) and spatial information (ambient cues, precise imaging, etc.)
Just finally reading through this thread, and this ^^^ is EXACTLY how I feel comparing the ability of the 650's vs the LCD-3F's. Thank you. I have never heard a planar that offers the resolution I hear from the 650's/800's. I would really enjoy if I could, but I haven't. The mistake I've made multiple times is thinking that more expensive headphones would naturally offer better resolution. Aha, fool me, you can't get fooled again!
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Just finally reading through this thread, and this ^^^ is EXACTLY how I feel comparing the ability of the 650's vs the LCD-3F's. Thank you. I have never heard a planar that offers the resolution I hear from the 650's/800's. I would really enjoy if I could, but I haven't. The mistake I've made multiple times is thinking that more expensive headphones would naturally offer better resolution. Aha, fool me, you can't get fooled again!

It sounds crazy to the uninitiated because the planar drive mechanism is better on paper and a lot of people seem to expect cool-looking, exotic tech and big price tags to go hand-in-hand with superior performance. But the proof is in the pudding. Dynamics tend to be more resolving for whatever reason. I'm not a big believer in Marv's crazy idea that the tension kills resolution, but there's gotta be some reason they have that sound.
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I appreciate the bass/impact/speed of some planars, but I hear what I hear, and value the dynamic drivers resolution above all else. Without that resolution, it's a deal-breaker for me, and I'm wondering if I'm in the minority. For me, once you hear it, you always expect it. And that is why the Yggy has ruined other DACs for me. :)p14
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I have never heard a planar that offers the resolution I hear from the 650's/800's.

And you never will. That is according to the OJ provided definition.

Better bass quality, clarity, speed with planars... yes. More plankton... no, although HEK may be close.
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It sounds crazy to the uninitiated because the planar drive mechanism is better on paper and a lot of people seem to expect cool-looking, exotic tech and big price tags to go hand-in-hand with superior performance. But the proof is in the pudding. Dynamics tend to be more resolving for whatever reason.

Honest question for you.  What, if any, dynamics do this besides Senns?  It's pretty much always the HD600/650/800 mentioned around here.
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CAL, MA100, R10.
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