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Re: Thoughts or impressions of the Geek Out V2
« Reply #60 on: July 06, 2015, 03:08:34 PM »

Copied emails to HF thread. Pease provide a link to an OTG cable that is micro male, to micro male. Amazon only lists micro male to USB type A female. There is no type a male input on the v2+, unlike the V2 and all V1's. Still has to be a lollipop Android device, they (LH) say, which leaves out my phone or any of my many portable players as transport.
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Re: Thoughts or impressions of the Geek Out V2
« Reply #61 on: July 06, 2015, 03:11:11 PM »

I commented over at head-fi about this too, I can be slightly less impolitic/more direct here.

1. USB-OTG cables aren't hard-to-find at all. Even Amazon is crazy flooded with them. If LH Customer Service told you that USB-OTG cables would be hard to find, I'd like you to reproduce the text of the email here so that we can poke fun at them about it.  popcorn

2. USB-OTG has been supported on numerous Android devices since well before Lollipop. Again, if they told you this, send along the messages for entertainment value. I'll direct you to the most complete Android USB-OTG resource on the web, DanBa's USB Audio thread here http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/6735#post_11639134.

In this thread you'll find lists of: purchase ready USB-OTG cables, stock android devices that work with USB DACs, USB DACs that work with Lollipop, UAPP resources, Dogs & Cats living together, etc. etc.
Ticket: https://support.lhlabs.com/helpdesk/tickets/11824

I see Kurt, well i have the V2+ prototype and use the Tidal app for all my hifi music since they have a huge library of audio, pretty much anything i can think of they had. it can also be use for a Apple computer or PC if you have a just a Micro to USB A male.

Best regards Manny,
On Fri, 19 Jun at 3:52 PM , Kurt Hertel <senorx12562@gmail.com> wrote:
Can you guys make a trs (mono) 3.5 mm to micro usb digital cable. That would do the trick.
On Jun 19, 2015 5:47 PM, "Kurt Hertel" <senorx12562@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for your time Manny. My phone is a motog, but that's irrelevant, as it only has 8gb of storage and no expansion. My plan all along was to use my fiio x5 as transport only and use the v2+ as dac and amp, as I do with my ifi micro idsd, but apparently i can't use it that way. I also have a Samsung galaxy tab s8.4 which after checking, I see is running android 5.0.2, which I think is lollipop, (they must've updated it while I was asleep, cause it came with 4.4.? In the end, it will be of limited to no utility to me if this will be the only non pc device I can use it with, especially as I can't afford $50 for a bespoke cable. I spent everything I had for the device. Hope it gets good reviews, as I'm apparently gonna have to sell it off as soon as I get it.
Hi Kurt Hertel,

Ticket: https://support.lhlabs.com/helpdesk/tickets/11824

This is new to Lollipop for Android as it was the biggest requested feature for Android operating systems to support audio out as well as Audio in via USB.

At this moment only Lollipop and IOS 6 support this functionality. (without having to do major tweaks to the software of previous versions)

I would like to ask which mobile device you do have and see if anything is available.

Best regards Manny,
On Fri, 19 Jun at 3:28 PM , LH Labs <support@lhlabs.freshdesk.com> wrote:
Hi Kurt Hertel,

Ticket: https://support.lhlabs.com/helpdesk/tickets/11824


On Fri, 19 Jun at 3:27 PM , LH Labs <support@lhlabs.freshdesk.com> wrote:
Hi Kurt Hertel,

Ticket: https://support.lhlabs.com/helpdesk/tickets/11824

The tips are pretty much interchangeable but the most common OTG sold is a USB-A female to Micro male B because there are not many devices that would need both ends to be Micro male B on both ends of the cable.

That is why we have to make our own for our own device. the only thing that actually makes an OTG is grounding one of the pins, check out the diagram.
But instead of a USB-A female we just solder a Micro male B on both ends.

Let me know if this helps at all i should have been more clear about this in your previous ticket.
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Kurt Hertel <senorx12562@gmail.com>
Jun 19

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So for me, it's not really a mobile device. I already have 4 DACs for pcs including a pulse, so I hardly hardly need another. Can you at least find me some direction as to how to rig a 3.5mm mono plug to a cable with a Micro usb plug? Otherwise, you're basically telling me " Tough shit, can't help you dude," correct?



Manny Torres
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Hi Kurt Hertel,

Ticket: https://support.lhlabs.com/helpdesk/tickets/11824

That would be a very hard cable to find. I wouldn't leave you with a device you couldn't use. The only issue is that i am unable to refund for this until the campaign is over. ( all the data is on Indiegogo's database till we get it at the end of the campaign).

Best regards Manny,

On Fri, 19 Jun at 4:50 PM , Kurt Hertel <senorx12562@gmail.com> wrote:
So for me, it's not really a mobile device. I already have 4 DACs for pcs including a pulse, so I hardly hardly need another. Can you at least find me some direction as to how to rig a 3.5mm mono plug to a cable with a Micro usb plug? Otherwise, you're basically telling me " Tough shit, can't help you dude," correct?
On Jun 19, 2015 6:41 PM, "Manny Torres" <support@lhlabs.freshdesk.com> wrote:
Hi Kurt Hertel,

Ticket: https://support.lhlabs.com/helpdesk/tickets/11824

I see Kurt, well i have the V2+ prototype and use the Tidal app for all my hifi music since they have a huge library of audio, pretty much anything i can think of they had. it can also be use for a Apple computer or PC if you have a just a Micro to USB A male.

Best regards Manny,
On Fri, 19 Jun at 3:52 PM , Kurt Hertel <senorx12562@gmail.com> wrote:
Can you guys make a trs (mono) 3.5 mm to micro usb digital cable. That would do the trick.
On Jun 19, 2015 5:47 PM, "Kurt Hertel" <senorx12562@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for your time Manny. My phone is a motog, but that's irrelevant, as it only has 8gb of storage and no expansion. My plan all along was to use my fiio x5 as transport only and use the v2+ as dac and amp, as I do with my ifi micro idsd, but apparently i can't use it that way. I also have a Samsung galaxy tab s8.4 which after checking, I see is running android 5.0.2, which I think is lollipop, (they must've updated it while I was asleep, cause it came with 4.4.? In the end, it will be of limited to no utility to me if this will be the only non pc device I can use it with, especially as I can't afford $50 for a bespoke cable. I spent everything I had for the device. Hope it gets good reviews, as I'm apparently gonna have to sell it off as soon as I get it.
Hi Kurt Hertel,

Ticket: https://support.lhlabs.com/helpdesk/tickets/11824

This is new to Lollipop for Android as it was the biggest requested feature for Android operating systems to support audio out as well as Audio in via USB.

At this moment only Lollipop and IOS 6 support this functionality. (without having to do major tweaks to the software of previous versions)

I would like to ask which mobile device you do have and see if anything is available.

Best regards Manny,
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Kurt Hertel   
When is the campaign over?
Jun 19

Stephanie Rodriguez   
This is Stephanie at LH labs, thank you for your time. Manny is out for the d...
Jun 22

Manny Torres   
Thank you for your time Kurt, So i will put this ticket on freeze, ( it will ...
Jun 24 (12 days ago)

Kurt Hertel <senorx12562@gmail.com>
Jun 24 (12 days ago)

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Thank you Manny


On Jun 24, 2015 11:36 AM, "Manny Torres" <support@lhlabs.freshdesk.com> wrote:
Hi Kurt Hertel,

Ticket: https://support.lhlabs.com/helpdesk/tickets/11824

Thank you for your time Kurt,

So i will put this ticket on freeze, ( it will show as closed on your end) once the campaign is over we can open it up again and get you that refund once we get the data from Indiegogo. I am glad i was able to help with your questions. Again thank you for your time and support.

Best regards Manny,
On Mon, 22 Jun at 10:23 AM , LH Labs <support@lhlabs.freshdesk.com> wrote:
Hi Kurt Hertel,

Ticket: https://support.lhlabs.com/helpdesk/tickets/11824

This is Stephanie at LH labs, thank you for your time. Manny is out for the day so I will be helping out with his ticket. The campaign is over on June 28th. It will take a few days to get all the data from Indiegogo and sort it out. Let us know if you have any further questions.

Best Wishes,
Stephanie
Customer Happiness Agent
 
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Roseville, CA 95747
http://www.lhlabs.com

On Fri, 19 Jun at 5:06 PM , Kurt Hertel <senorx12562@gmail.com> wrote:
When is the campaign over?
On Jun 19, 2015 7:04 PM, "Manny Torres" <support@lhlabs.freshdesk.com> wrote:
Hi Kurt Hertel,

Ticket: https://support.lhlabs.com/helpdesk/tickets/11824

That would be a very hard cable to find. I wouldn't leave you with a device you couldn't use. The only issue is that i am unable to refund for this until the campaign is over. ( all the data is on Indiegogo's database till we get it at the end of the campaign).

Best regards Manny,

On Fri, 19 Jun at 4:50 PM , Kurt Hertel <senorx12562@gmail.com> wrote:
So for me, it's not really a mobile device. I already have 4 DACs for pcs including a pulse, so I hardly hardly need another. Can you at least find me some direction as to how to rig a 3.5mm mono plug to a cable with a Micro usb plug? Otherwise, you're basically telling me " Tough shit, can't help you dude," correct?
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Re: Thoughts or impressions of the Geek Out V2
« Reply #62 on: July 06, 2015, 03:30:18 PM »

See: http://www.ttvjaudio.com/TTVJ_Micro_USB_to_Micro_USB_Portable_Cable_p/aat0000200.htm%22 

It was designed for the Apex Glacier, and I'm pretty sure it's a similar use case (usb micro-b to usb micro-b).
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Re: Thoughts or impressions of the Geek Out V2
« Reply #63 on: July 06, 2015, 03:37:58 PM »

Ok, first, the v2+ will work with whatever devices the v2 will work with. The key is whether it runs USB Class 2 Audio, which several devices (iphones, androids, PCs, macs...) do. This is not exclusive to Lollipop, but is universal on Lollipop. Second, I understand what I perceive is your frustration over the lack of easily available OTG to micro-b cables, those are not plentiful (although I did find one on a random asian website...). You can bypass this by using an adapter; it is the same thing that those accursed iphone users must do with their awful CCK cables. Nevermind, kudos AV. Third, the cable that I believe he was commenting would be "very hard to find" is an OTG to 3.5mm, which I cannot imagine why anyone would mass produce, or even how you would intend to use it.
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Re: Thoughts or impressions of the Geek Out V2
« Reply #64 on: July 06, 2015, 03:40:50 PM »

See: http://www.ttvjaudio.com/TTVJ_Micro_USB_to_Micro_USB_Portable_Cable_p/aat0000200.htm%22 

It was designed for the Apex Glacier, and I'm pretty sure it's a similar use case (usb micro-b to usb micro-b).
Well, LH told me that it is only functional with ios 6 and lollipop, and I'm not gonna carry around an 8.4 inch tablet as a transport, along with the v2+. I can use my x3 and x5 as transport with my iMicro iDsd as DAC/amp, and I expect that as a minimum for a device that is called "portable."
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Re: Thoughts or impressions of the Geek Out V2
« Reply #65 on: July 06, 2015, 03:43:32 PM »

This is new to Lollipop for Android as it was the biggest requested feature for Android operating systems to support audio out as well as Audio in via USB.

At this moment only Lollipop and IOS 6 support this functionality. (without having to do major tweaks to the software of previous versions)

Ok, this is a direct quote from the email exchange with Manny @ LH, so I guess if you know better you'd have to talk to LH.
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Re: Thoughts or impressions of the Geek Out V2
« Reply #66 on: July 06, 2015, 03:56:30 PM »

Dude, your X3 and X5 would need a SPDIF optical to USB converter.

These units have ALWAYS been USB based. I can understand being frustrated with their support if they told you you had to buy a $100 cable, but at this point you're bitching because you didn't read before buying.

I give LH a lot of shit for areas where they can improve, but this is on you. You'll get no sympathy from pirates on this one.

If you'd like a cheap micro to micro OTG cable, these work great:

http://hakshop.myshopify.com/products/micro-to-micro-otg?variant=211796287
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Re: Thoughts or impressions of the Geek Out V2
« Reply #67 on: July 06, 2015, 04:09:40 PM »

Ok, this is a direct quote from the email exchange with Manny @ LH, so I guess if you know better you'd have to talk to LH.


Well it reads as a direct quote from me, which is a little disconcerting... His point is that devices running Android L will support it, without asterisks or caveats, I am guessing LH makes statements like this to avoid minor pissing matches about "you said it would probably work on my galaxy s[number]! but it doesn't!!" which I can understand. As for iOS 6, I think that is correct, and no prior version of iOS supported it. Separately, I don't know why you are so bent out of shape about using OTG since both of your android devices support it, yet you never intended to use it anyway.
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Re: Thoughts or impressions of the Geek Out V2
« Reply #68 on: July 06, 2015, 04:13:39 PM »

You guys are not understanding me at all. LH labs has told me in no uncertain terms (it's in the emails I posted), that without either a Android/lollipop device or an ios 6 device with which to use the type of cable they specify the device cannot be used portably.  This info was not disclosed before I was forced to pay in full. I use my ifi micro iDSD as DAC/amp for x3 and x5 all day long, no problems. Bad design choice to limit use to lollipop/ios6. And I wasn't looking for sympathy, I was trying to warn people. Once they start arriving and people realize they are shipped without the required cable and my kit cat device won't work even with the correct cable, well, its not gonna be pretty. Too bad, cause I love the sound of my pulse.
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Re: Thoughts or impressions of the Geek Out V2
« Reply #69 on: July 06, 2015, 04:16:31 PM »

V2+ works with iOS too? do i need camera connection kit for that?
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