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The headphone technology thread...
« on: April 14, 2015, 05:29:21 AM »

Since we have so much talk about how dynamic, ortho, and electrostat headphones work, I thought... how about a place we can condense all that information so that future generations (or ourselves) can read up and learn?

Let's do it!  :)p1

Someone asked about this recently: why is it that a thinner diaphragm is desirable in orthodynamic and electrostatic headphones?

My answer to that is... well, it isn't always the case.

A thinner diaphragm has the benefit of having less overall mass, so with the same amount of force applied (same power supplied by the amplifier), the thinner diaphragm will be accelerated more, thus it will displace a more significant amount of air. Potentially, this means that low amplitude vibrations are possible (reproduction of higher frequencies), and also that smaller signals that are low in amplitude but may not be necessarily related to high frequency vibrations can be reproduced on a thinner diaphragm. Effectively, what that means is that it will pull out more details from any given recording. Also, since the diaphragm is more affected by signals, it will respond to start and stop signals easier, and thus the movement of the diaphragm would become more precise. Oh, and by "more precise", I mean... no significant excess ringing/decay, so better separation/blackground/quiet passages... Note: this "no decay" only applies to the diaphragm. The enclosure and elements attached to it may still continue ringing/vibrating beyond the diaphragm's control.

However, a thinner diaphragm with big surface area tends to be more affected by air friction. Notice how Fang Bian's video of his new diaphragm for the HE-1000 has it floating around? That's what I'm saying here. Since air friction becomes a problem at gravitational pull, at higher accelerations, typically low frequencies with an audio signal, air friction becomes a huge problem here, and the diaphragm may end up not moving as far as it was supposed to. Meaning... bass will be anemic, as the diaphragm is not able to push air as far. Unfortunately, I think the only remedy for this problem is to apply a greater force at lower frequencies. For orthodynamic (planar magnetic) headphones, this means... bigger, stronger and much heavier magnets (Abyss??). For electrostatic, this means higher voltage at lower frequencies, but this may also potentially melt the diaphragm... so it's a crazy balancing act in order to achieve realistic sound. Unfortunately, this is a case where I don't think we can have our cake and eat it too... or at least not with current technology.

And that's how I understand it. Please comment, dissect, and criticize my stupidity.  :)p1
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Re: The headphone technology thread...
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2015, 05:52:58 AM »

Air friction/resistance is a function of surface area. Mass has no bearing on it; a light and heavy diaphragm will experience the same amount of air resistance. I'm too sleepy to write anything else right now.
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Re: The headphone technology thread...
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2015, 06:00:23 AM »

Air friction/resistance is a function of surface area. Mass has no bearing on it; a light and heavy diaphragm will experience the same amount of air resistance.

Right, friction is constant here assuming equal barometric pressure and humidity. What Bill is getting at I believe is applied force as F=MA. What might be perceived as increased friction from a video is simply reduced force as the gain in velocity does not compensate for the same reduction in mass. Now, if we could actually get those real numbers for each driver, we could see if this data actually correlates to perceived subjective impressions of ethereal sounding drivers versus weighty slamming drivers. Of course, we would need to consider excursion as well to truly calculate both force and quantity of air being moved per driver in question.
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Re: The headphone technology thread...
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2015, 06:06:48 AM »

Air friction/resistance is a function of surface area. Mass has no bearing on it; a light and heavy diaphragm will experience the same amount of air resistance. I'm too sleepy to write anything else right now.

Oh no, that's true. What I meant was that the lighter mass of the diaphragm will make it more susceptible to air resistance, even if it's the same amount.

Or yeah... basically what Anax said. F = ma, so for the same F, bigger m will have less a, and vice versa, so the thicker diaphragm will be "less affected" by the same air resistance, whereas the thinner diaphragm will be "more affected".
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Re: The headphone technology thread...
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2015, 06:10:45 AM »

Just throwing this in before bed: Sound power is proportional to frequency squared and displacement squared. Obvious takeaway is that bass needs a larger excursion or surface area to put out the same amount of energy.

The floaty bit of the video is simply because low mass means low gravitational pull, and nothing to do with increasing friction. Maybe it'd be better to say that the ratio of air resistance to gravity force has increased.

edit: ninja'd, by several minutes in fact, definitely time for bed...
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Re: The headphone technology thread...
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2015, 04:11:08 PM »


Someone asked about this recently: why is it that a thinner diaphragm is desirable in orthodynamic and electrostatic headphones?

My answer to that is... well, it isn't always the case.

A thinner diaphragm has the benefit of having less overall mass, so with the same amount of force applied (same power supplied by the amplifier), the thinner diaphragm will be accelerated more, thus it will displace a more significant amount of air. Potentially, this means that low amplitude vibrations are possible (reproduction of higher frequencies), and also that smaller signals that are low in amplitude but may not be necessarily related to high frequency vibrations can be reproduced on a thinner diaphragm. Effectively, what that means is that it will pull out more details from any given recording. Also, since the diaphragm is more affected by signals, it will respond to start and stop signals easier, and thus the movement of the diaphragm would become more precise. Oh, and by "more precise", I mean... no significant excess ringing/decay, so better separation/blackground/quiet passages... Note: this "no decay" only applies to the diaphragm. The enclosure and elements attached to it may still continue ringing/vibrating beyond the diaphragm's control.
I disagree.
First of all, I don't see a real life situation where someone would insist on using the same amount of power for all his headphones. We all use differing amplification for different headphones, its common sense! Provided you use enough force (amplification) , both light and heavy diaphragms would move in accordance with the signal applied.
The actual benefit of a thinner diaphragm is not that it can be put to motion easily but rather that it can be stopped much more easily. A headphone diaphragm is like a mass loaded spring which continues to oscillate much longer after the signal was applied and needs an external force (damping material) to stop when it should.
With a thinner diaphragm, we need a much lighter damping material compared to what we would need for a thicker diaphragm. So, with a thinner diaphragm we avoid the side effects of damping materials (which all of them have to some degree) and we have a headphone which sounds much more open as the more heavily damped headphones tend to sound rather closed in. 
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Re: The headphone technology thread...
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2015, 06:04:29 PM »

The actual benefit of a thinner diaphragm is not that it can be put to motion easily but rather that it can be stopped much more easily. A headphone diaphragm is like a mass loaded spring which continues to oscillate much longer after the signal was applied and needs an external force (damping material) to stop when it should.
With a thinner diaphragm, we need a much lighter damping material compared to what we would need for a thicker diaphragm. So, with a thinner diaphragm we avoid the side effects of damping materials (which all of them have to some degree) and we have a headphone which sounds much more open as the more heavily damped headphones tend to sound rather closed in. 
Amplifier damping factor is something you are dismissing here.
Why do orthos sound like shit from hi z amplifiers?
This is lack of damping of the transducer via induced magnetic field.

From pure physics pov Bill is right in the force/diaphragm mass equals fast. But it is never that simple.
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Re: The headphone technology thread...
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2015, 06:14:01 PM »

Actual data of how fast a transducer needs to be would be welcome.
It could be, that mid to hi end transducers are fast enough anyways and other things matter, like surface breakdown and mechanical damping etc.
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Re: The headphone technology thread...
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2015, 06:23:23 PM »

Amplifier damping factor is something you are dismissing here.
Why do orthos sound like shit from hi z amplifiers?
This is lack of damping of the transducer via induced magnetic field.

From pure physics pov Bill is right in the force/diaphragm mass equals fast. But it is never that simple.

They don't, not in my experience. Infact, I use a hi z tube amp to drive my orthos.
The constant resistive load that the orthos represent means they there shouldn't be any electrical damping in play theoretically. The differences in sound in your case are more likely to be due to the fact that a low imp. load receives only a fraction of the power from a hi z amp which leads to them being under-driven.
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Re: The headphone technology thread...
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2015, 06:46:03 PM »

From an EE point of view what Guru wrote made sense. :)p2
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