I felt the senn650's had sweet vocals and midrange. About the nicest I've heard but the phone didn't do much else right for the music I listen to unfortunately. I've been trying to mod grados/magnums/koss to get that midrange, with moderate success.....I see alot of you mention orthos with nice mids. But from the few i've heard, they suffer similar as the senns, in that they do mids nice but not much else. But I've never heard the higher end orthos though. Do they have that same thick/dark ortho sound of the less prices ones?