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Re: CanJam SoCal 2015 March 28-29 Impressions Thread
« Reply #80 on: March 30, 2015, 07:27:37 PM »

I did at one point. Was bomb-diggity. Going to grab one when it drops. And I expect it to be even better in my system rather than plugged into mediocre Hugo DAC.

Yes, I brought my Geek Pulse Xfi on Sunday to help do some justice to the Carbons being demo'd.
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Re: CanJam SoCal 2015 March 28-29 Impressions Thread
« Reply #81 on: March 30, 2015, 07:53:23 PM »

Didn"t understand clearly : is the Liquid Carbon the most portable amp  or is it the transportable one ?

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Re: CanJam SoCal 2015 March 28-29 Impressions Thread
« Reply #82 on: March 30, 2015, 07:55:30 PM »

Didn"t understand clearly : is the Liquid Carbon the most portable amp  or is it the transportable one ?

Transportable Balanced I/O.
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Re: CanJam SoCal 2015 March 28-29 Impressions Thread
« Reply #83 on: March 30, 2015, 07:57:54 PM »

Roger. thks

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Re: CanJam SoCal 2015 March 28-29 Impressions Thread
« Reply #84 on: March 30, 2015, 08:06:05 PM »

I'm on to getting the carbon as well. Cavalli at the price range I'm hearing? I'm listening. Just a matter of wait time for finished build.
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Re: CanJam SoCal 2015 March 28-29 Impressions Thread
« Reply #85 on: March 30, 2015, 08:58:37 PM »

Yes, I brought my Geek Pulse Xfi on Sunday to help do some justice to the Carbons being demo'd.
Oh so the Pulse was yours... I really liked the combo with the Ether.
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Re: CanJam SoCal 2015 March 28-29 Impressions Thread
« Reply #86 on: March 30, 2015, 09:02:32 PM »

Where possible, impressions using mine or other known desktop (both tube and SS) and portable upstream gear. Sometimes vendors do themselves no favors with their demo rigs.

EL8 open-Seemingly somewhat linear but very thin and dry sounding. Another lower-fi mp3 phone guaranteed to turn you Redbook audio to artifacted mp3s. Just don't like this sort of sound. No dynamicism really either.

EL8 closed-This was a phone I was hopeful of at CES despite having a clear narrow band treble peak and resonance. It was smoother and more clear than the open version despite this major flaw which seemed to me could be fixed. This version at Canjam sound exactly like the EL8 open version but with a cover slapped over the grill and resonances and peaks bouncing around all over inside the cups covering all the frequency bands. Hot mess! This was the most unpleasant and unrefined thing I heard that Canjam. I suppose the sample I heard at CES was a special good one that was already damped or there's a QC issue. Just wow. Speechless....

You really hit the nail on the head with these two IMO.  I heard both at Stereo Exchange's headphone open house a little while ago.  I found the open version merely "meh" but your description as it being "thin" and "dry" is very accurate.  I thought the closed was just  poo.  But the big qualification was that I was listening out of a portable (as was everyone else) with the big boy Auralic stacks being reserved for the LCD line on display.  So, I gave Audeze the benefit of the doubt but my impressions on a compromised setup are consistent with yours on an undoubtedly much more favorable setup. Plus, they are advertising these as portable. So they should at least not stink off of a portable even if they scale up.

I went back this weekend in the hope of hearing one or both off of a real DAC/amp, but again was only able to listen to the closed EL-8 off of my phone. It was just a terrible mess. So much so that I have a hard time believing it would be enough better off of a good setup to be a purchase at even half the asking price. I mean there are a lot of enjoyable choices at $350 for either open or closed.
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Re: CanJam SoCal 2015 March 28-29 Impressions Thread
« Reply #87 on: March 30, 2015, 09:44:06 PM »

Ok, my turn.

Once again, I left the show with the impression that a lot of the new stuff was mediocre at best, with exception of the following products:

Cavalli Liquid Carbon: This thing just rocks! Paired with the Pulse Xfi and Ether, it was a very good sound for my own taste and limited listening time. Actually, it was possibly - and surprisingly - the best setup I heard the Ether on (I heard them on the Vega + Taurus at Auralic's booth, the Vega + LAu and Yggy + Rag / WA5 at MrSpeakers booth). Excellent value at the expected price. I'm buying one.

MrSpeakers Ether: A better and much more comfortable LCD-2.?. A bit more romantic than my warmish HE-6 and technically not as proficient, but more comfortable and much easier to drive. Vocals are really, really good (life-like). Bass is on the romantic side (not the tightest, but not overpowering like the LCDs). Treble was just right for me on most setups (only the Vega/Taurus didn't do well for me).
Not a super good value on its own (I would buy one instantly at $1,000. At 1,500 I will need to think hard), but the easy-to-drive factor makes it a viable solution for the Carbon. ~$2,000-2,200 for the pairing is a good value in today's $$ (where everything tends to be overpriced).

UERM: I actually never listened to any UE iems before, so I jumped on the occasion to do the demo. Was always switching back and forth between the UERM and the UE5; the others didn't do it in the demo. The UERM had that "reference" quality that stood out and made me actually believe I was "there". The punch and clarity is very, very good. No peakyness I could detect, just very linear. It's basically what I expected the HD-800 to be.
I bought the UERM and did the 3D ear impression at the last minute. We'll see if the sound is similar to the demo pair at the meet (well, how I'll remember it).

For the highly anticipated, but disappointing overall:

Hifiman HE-1000: Probably the biggest disappointment for me. Not that this is a bad headphone per se, but I cannot understand how they can sell that for $3,000. First, I need to say that the gears and music selection at HFM booth were terrible. Since the EF-1000 monster was busy when I first sat at the booth, they offered me to try the HE-1k on the EF-100. What a craptastic idea... I'm not even gonna talk about it. The pairing with EF-1000 + 901S was probably OK overall, but one thing stood out: this setup had no sound-stage depth whatsoever, let alone center imaging. Most of you already know sound-stage and imaging are the most important aspect of headphone rendition for me (I know some of you don't even believe headphone are capable of having a believable sound-stage  ;D) and just for this, the HE-1k was a let down. The sound signature was linear, with fast and clear treble but no annoying peakiness. Gave it a 'stat' like sound, indeed. The bass was not as good as anticipated: it was actually a bit loose, akin to the Ether on some setups. I was expecting a deeper, tighter and more thunderous "HE-6 like" bass presentation. Well, this was not it! This could be the amp (the EF-6 was pretty bad at this already...), the DAP, my mood, the recording... Vocals sounded thinner than natural on that setup, too. The look was okay. The finish was pretty bad (man, get rid of that ugly veneer, seriously... The HE-400i's finish looks better than the 560/1000).

ENIGMAcoustic Dharma: treble is too elevated to be considered neutral (my neutral) and the bass was of the "mediocre dynamic" kind. The drivers integration was *probably* well executed; couldn't hear a transition in the mid-range (where I expect the x-over to be). I actually felt the treble was di sconnected a bit from the mid-range (slightly U shaped). Ohhgourami liked its presentation, as expected. I like warmer sound (you can tell from our respective HE-6).

And then the rest:

Ayre Codex: Definitely had a USB issue somewhere! The sound was cracking and full of noise when I moved the mouse on the Macbook  facepalm. Despite that, I found the sound agreeable. Had some qualities of the QB-9 DSD, but don't expect the same quality for an all-in-one DAC/amp at half the price...

More to come, maybe.
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Re: CanJam SoCal 2015 March 28-29 Impressions Thread
« Reply #88 on: March 30, 2015, 10:14:08 PM »

Thanks everyone for the impressions! Really wish I could go to canjam one of these days. I just don't have the time/money to make it to one as a college student :(. I'd love to meet you guys in person sometime.
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Re: CanJam SoCal 2015 March 28-29 Impressions Thread
« Reply #89 on: March 31, 2015, 12:03:53 AM »

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Stax 007 mk1 via BHSE-Very boring to me yet again. Dynamically blunted and uninvolving. I can see the attraction to those wanting a pleasing and forgiving sound to just zone out. This is what I call a Muzak phone. Suitable for background listening only while I do more meaningful tasks. Actual live music just doesn't sound like this to me no matter how impressed people seem to be with this phone.

I would agree with this... until you take that spring out. I think the seal improves without the spring, and everything sounds a great deal more realistic/involving too.

I always thought it sounded that way because I needed better gear, but it always felt like something was off before, even compared to my old SR-5 + SR-007 pads.
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