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Re: Want convertible, thinking G37x
« Reply #70 on: June 24, 2015, 11:59:28 PM »

My 2001 Prius has a touch screen. I think Lexus puts a control device there just so they can say they have one like BMW and Audi otherwise cross shoppers get confused. They'll use it as a reason not to consider it. I've always found the idea stupid. Everything should be on the steering wheel anyway. I want to see the first person to crash or get ticketed for trying to initiate a buggy gesture control.

Buying luxury cars is almost like an IQ test for the rich. You bought a BMW without manual door locks that traps people inside and suffocates them? Your Tesla has automated door handles that crush your fingers? Your MB wipers keep breaking because they make four independent movements on each wipe to catch that last centimeter of windshield surface in the corner?
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That's the problem Lexus was trying to "solve" I think when they came up with Remote Touch a few years ago. Touch screens have become associated with cheap mainstream cars because they are the easiest to implement, you can just shove a radio with a touch screen in a double DIN hole and you're done. It's also a problem if your luxury UI is too similar to your mainstream UI - see "MyLincolnTouch" which is MFT with the word "Ford" crossed out...which isn't too far off from what a Lincoln is in general.

So in order to not have your ES350 not look too much like a Camry LE, you have to come up with some kind of Rube Goldberg device to avoid being able to touch anything, and some of these are definitely better than others.

Non mechanical door pulls are stupid in all circumstances, and the results can definitely be tragic.

http://q13fox.com/2015/06/10/elderly-man-dog-die-because-car-doors-wouldnt-unlock/
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Re: Want convertible, thinking G37x
« Reply #71 on: June 25, 2015, 01:52:49 AM »

How many new cars are there that aren't full of that kind of shit?

At this rate I'm gonna be stuck with antique vehicle plate before long.
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Re: Want convertible, thinking G37x
« Reply #72 on: July 06, 2015, 11:30:18 PM »

How many new cars are there that aren't full of that kind of shit?

At this rate I'm gonna be stuck with antique vehicle plate before long.

for convertibles, that's probably the way to go.

just helped a friend buy a 325Ci (dark blue convertible), totally droolworthy, even if it is 15 years old...
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Re: Want convertible, thinking G37x
« Reply #73 on: July 07, 2015, 05:50:07 AM »

for convertibles, that's probably the way to go.

just helped a friend buy a 325Ci (dark blue convertible), totally droolworthy, even if it is 15 years old...

I'm not so sure about that. Cowl shake is definitely a lot better now than it used to be. The G convertible shakes pretty badly as a result of it being a hack job, but cars that were designed from the get go to be drop tops usually come out pretty well. Convertibles from days past on the other hand will flop around like a dead fish.
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Re: Want convertible, thinking G37x
« Reply #74 on: July 07, 2015, 06:33:44 AM »

How many new cars are there that aren't full of that kind of shit?

At this rate I'm gonna be stuck with antique vehicle plate before long.

Get a glorious Jaguar E-Type and whenever people doubt your choice of car recite the Clarkson speech.



Fast forward to 6:09.
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Re: Want convertible, thinking G37x
« Reply #75 on: July 07, 2015, 07:17:53 AM »

Even the new Mustang coupe has nasty cowl shake. Oh wait, that's not a convertible.  facepalm
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Re: Want convertible, thinking G37x
« Reply #76 on: July 07, 2015, 07:56:18 AM »

Even the new Mustang coupe has nasty cowl shake. Oh wait, that's not a convertible.  facepalm

So the bean counters at Ford prefer rubber bands over actual body/coach reinforcements? Good to know...

Edit: confused Ford with GM. I hope Ford U.S. has higher standards than GM.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2015, 02:45:07 PM by Deep Funk »
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Re: Want convertible, thinking G37x
« Reply #77 on: July 07, 2015, 02:15:59 PM »

Mustang is not made by GM, at least in this universe.
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Re: Want convertible, thinking G37x
« Reply #78 on: July 07, 2015, 05:46:24 PM »

Mustang is not made by GM, at least in this universe.

Leave him be Jason. He's Dutch and rides a bicycle.
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Re: Want convertible, thinking G37x
« Reply #79 on: July 07, 2015, 06:19:59 PM »

LOL, yep, but agreed...though I think the Mustang has more hood shake than cowl shake, at least in coupe form.

Still not confidence inspiring, but perhaps not surprising given the stoopid length of the hood and the giant airplane-wing bulge in the middle of it, either to cover the refrigerator-sized engine options, or because of equally stooopid Euro pedestrian crash standards.

The hood on the new Camaro is about 1/2 as long as the Mustang.

And, to give GM some credit, my ZL1 convertible doesn't have a problem with hood shake, and is at least as good cowl-shake-wise as the best convertibles I've been in (Viper, C7.) It's WAYYYYY more rigid than a BMW 6 series convertible, for example.
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