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Re: Want convertible, thinking G37x
« Reply #60 on: June 24, 2015, 06:39:13 PM »

Geesh, and people think I'm harsh.... :)p13
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Re: Want convertible, thinking G37x
« Reply #61 on: June 24, 2015, 06:49:53 PM »

Whenever I see G37 / convertible, I think young douchebag wannabe. I don't know why. INFINITI isn't a real luxury brand anyways. Get a used Porsche Boxster or Miata hardtop. INFINITI is for losers.

A used Boxster would need to be an '09+. Earlier cars with the M96 and M97 are basically rolling grenades, and you never know when that pin might fall out. If you want to be smart though, I'd look at a CPO '13, which go for around $45K. If that's within budget, go for it. If not, the Boxster probably isn't for you.

The new Miata seems to be a great car, but there's obviously nothing luxurious about it at all, pretty different car from a G convertible.

I don't put much stock into what is and isn't a luxury brand. All that really matters to me is whether the product is good or not. Acura isn't really a luxury brand, and its products aren't very good. Volvo isn't really either, but the new XC90 seems to be every bit as good as the latest X5 and M-B GLE, if not better. Should it be discounted just because the Volvo badge doesn't carry the cachet of the Roundel or the 3-pointed star? I don't think so. If Volvo can nail their execution, which they seem to have done, then good for them. If Acura could deliver a product on that same level, I'd say the same thing.

In a lot of ways the Infiniti G is a far more honest car than the Acura TL. The TL has always been sold as a sort of phony "performance" car, particularly in SH-AWD guise, when in actuality it has a FE-FWD layout with some 60%+ of its weight on its nose, and its platform is largely derived from the Accord. Nevermind the ILX which is a Civic wearing a white collar shirt.

The G at least has its engine facing the right way and largely behind the front axle, with a RWD layout and reasonably decent weight balance. It's not as good as the 3 series, but I don't think it's any worse than the historically awful until 5 minutes ago Mercedes C-class. Infiniti cut corners on materials, but mechanically at least, the G is very well made. Worn or peeling trim can also be replaced basically whenever you feel like it, whereas if your old 3 series or C-class has a dash lit up like a Christmas tree, that sort of thing tends to be harder to ignore.

The G sedan and G coupe I think are fine for what they are, and other than the durability of the interior trim, they are pretty smart used buys. The problem I have is with the convertible specifically. It's obvious that Infiniti wanted a piece of the 3 series and A5 cabs, but didn't really design their car with that in mind, so they just went at the G coupe with a hacksaw, and the results are what you would expect.
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Re: Want convertible, thinking G37x
« Reply #62 on: June 24, 2015, 07:58:55 PM »

Acura TL (aka fancier Accord) is more for Asians who want something reliable to keep for the long term, not a BMW or Mercedes after 3 years (typical lease) when everything starts to die.

BMWs are for morons and dickish fags (South Park definition) who drive far too fast than their abilities or than the chassis / suspension is capable. Push a BMW (outside of the M series) near or past its limits, and you are totally fucked (I know because I tried this with a 335i.) BMWs only give you the illusion of sportiness. Fine while you stay below 7/10s. The E46 and especially E36 were much more controllable platforms, but that was a much different BMW back then.

Oh yeah. Teslas are the exclusive domain of douchbags (at least in the Valley.)
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Re: Want convertible, thinking G37x
« Reply #63 on: June 24, 2015, 09:26:03 PM »

What about Volvo's C-coupés? They are still on the road and look quite elegant for Volvo's. Additionally the engine options are nice.
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Re: Want convertible, thinking G37x
« Reply #64 on: June 24, 2015, 09:54:19 PM »

BMWs are for morons and dickish fags (South Park definition) who drive far too fast than their abilities or than the chassis / suspension is capable. Push a BMW (outside of the M series) near or past its limits, and you are totally fucked (I know because I tried this with a 335i.) BMWs only give you the illusion of sportiness. Fine while you stay below 7/10s. The E46 and especially E36 were much more controllable platforms, but that was a much different BMW back then.

Oh yeah. Teslas are the exclusive domain of douchbags (at least in the Valley.)

All of the cars in the compact sport/luxury segment are compromised to some degree compared to a serious performance car. The F30 by all accounts is softer and clumsier than its predecessor (which was the same compared to its predecessors) but that seems to be what the people want. Supposedly they have made some changes to the '16 340i to deal with all of the complaints about dead steering and floaty suspension even on M-sport cars variants, we'll have to see.

The C-class is my favorite of the group at the moment. Because M-B now has the CLA to sell to badge whores chasing the lowest monthly payment, they were able to turn the C into a genuine luxury car with an interior that just embarrasses everyone else.

The ATS seems to be the top of the heap dynamically, but with that car you get the worst of both worlds - Infiniti grade materials quality and German reliability. They can't give them away.
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Re: Want convertible, thinking G37x
« Reply #65 on: June 24, 2015, 09:56:53 PM »

What about Volvo's C-coupés? They are still on the road and look quite elegant for Volvo's. Additionally the engine options are nice.

The C70 was dated when it was new nearly 10 years ago, and by 2015 standards it seems older than dirt. It was never that nice either. The VW EOS was a better car, and that's faint praise.

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Re: Want convertible, thinking G37x
« Reply #66 on: June 24, 2015, 10:09:36 PM »

The C-class is my favorite of the group at the moment. Because M-B now has the CLA to sell to badge whores chasing the lowest monthly payment, they were able to turn the C into a genuine luxury car with an interior that just embarrasses everyone else.

Indeed, the new Cs are really nice. Nothing at all like my mom's old C which was an embarrassment (my mom, having been burned from the experience, decided to go Lexus to avoid fixing something every 3 months). Friend of my wife let me drive and sit in her new C (she's one of those MB badge whores).

The knob, turny wheel control thing, and screen was 280% lame though. I can press things on my touchscreen display in my BRZ. The MB screen wasn't a touch screen, and it felt like playing a level of Atari breakout to change bass and treble settings on the radio. If Germans ever made user interfaces for combat planes, pilots would have died.
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Re: Want convertible, thinking G37x
« Reply #67 on: June 24, 2015, 10:56:19 PM »

The knob, turny wheel control thing, and screen was 280% lame though. I can press things on my touchscreen display in my BRZ. The MB screen wasn't a touch screen, and it felt like playing a level of Atari breakout to change bass and treble settings on the radio. If Germans ever made user interfaces for combat planes, pilots would have died.

I was very surprised when I saw that the latest BMW 7 series that was just unveiled has a touch screen setup combined with iDrive. It has gesture controls as well (which apparently don't work very well yet), but I didn't see that coming since all three of the German luxury trio have screamed "nein!" to the idea of touch screens for well over a decade. Oddly VW has never had a problem using them, which isn't to say that VW's interfaces are any good.

I also wouldn't have guessed that Volvo would come up with one of the best touch based UIs on the market for the new XC90. Volvo systems in the past were absolutely horrendous, but they clearly did their homework. Acura's double stuff on the other hand is a total disaster, as is Infiniti's similar double stuff in the Q50. Lexus Remote Touch sucks as well.
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Re: Want convertible, thinking G37x
« Reply #68 on: June 24, 2015, 11:31:32 PM »

My 2001 Prius has a touch screen. I think Lexus puts a control device there just so they can say they have one like BMW and Audi otherwise cross shoppers get confused. They'll use it as a reason not to consider it. I've always found the idea stupid. Everything should be on the steering wheel anyway. I want to see the first person to crash or get ticketed for trying to initiate a buggy gesture control.

Buying luxury cars is almost like an IQ test for the rich. You bought a BMW without manual door locks that traps people inside and suffocates them? Your Tesla has automated door handles that crush your fingers? Your MB wipers keep breaking because they make four independent movements on each wipe to catch that last centimeter of windshield surface in the corner?
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Re: Want convertible, thinking G37x
« Reply #69 on: June 24, 2015, 11:51:50 PM »

You bought a BMW without manual door locks that traps people inside and suffocates them?

BMW already thought of that. Pull out headrest and try to smash window. Not with the cushion part, but with tip of metal bar. Might take a while though.
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