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Re: Audio Zenith PM-X
« Reply #80 on: December 12, 2014, 05:35:04 PM »

With all due respect, it seems like you're constructing a story to suit you. One could just as easily turn it around and say that selling a modded PM-2 for more than OPPO's flagship PM-1 is taking the piss out of Oppo and is disrespectful.

You put in a lot of work creating these mods, I get that, and that alone should be enough to justify your price tag. Believe me, I know and respect how much work goes into modifying a headphone. I think you do a disservice to yourself however by saying it's because of being ethical toward Oppo. Let your mods and hard work stand on their own merits for the price you are asking.

   I have a long and bumpy enough relationship with OPPO to not construct any stories. Anything can be turned around and proof can be seen all over this thread but that doesn't mean I won't stick to my own principles.  I very much appreciate your understanding of the hard work that was put in and all your kind words though.
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Re: Audio Zenith PM-X
« Reply #81 on: December 12, 2014, 07:13:47 PM »

I do not think oppo cares what you do. You are dumb if you want to be respectful to Oppo. Business is same as war.
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Re: Audio Zenith PM-X
« Reply #82 on: December 12, 2014, 07:55:44 PM »

Price: there are many reasons for the $1399.00 number announced.
   1) They simply can not be sold for less then $1200 as it will be unethical and disrespectful to OPPO, it has to cost more then their PM-1.
   2) Most of the mods for T50RP are at least 3 times the price of the original and go all the way up to 10 times more with latest "Prime" as an example.
   3) Audio Zenith is a start up company so all the expenses are very much different then those of the well established business and I was actually surprised by the total cost for parts and labor.
   4) Level of performance and pricing of the direct competition had to be the major factor as well.
   5) I want to keep the price to be the same for all over the world and dealers don't work for nothing.
   6) This Audio Zenith PM-2 is truly unique and that should account for a tiny bit of premium look and cost.

Clearly, you can price however you want without any justification and let supply and demand let you know if you got it right. No need to justify. That said, 2-6 more or less make sense to me and I have no doubt that whether or not the proposed price makes sense to potential customers, below a certain price is just not worth the time and effort you are undoubtedly putting into each unit. But #1 makes no sense to me. You have no obligation of any kind to Oppo unless you have some sort of arrangement with them with respect to PM-1/PM-2 and I am quite certain you do not.

Edit: And best of luck with your endeavor.  I hope you put out a great product.
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Re: Audio Zenith PM-X
« Reply #83 on: December 12, 2014, 08:01:19 PM »

hello,

   
Price: there are many reasons for the $1399.00 number announced.
   1) They simply can not be sold for less then $1200 as it will be unethical and disrespectful to OPPO, it has to cost more then their PM-1.   

this seems to be a very strange way to justify a pricing strategy.

if the base is the PM-2, why is pricing not based on it's MSRP plus the cost of the mods?

as an ancient veteran of the retail wars, i would think that the OPPO MSRP would be based on keystone (i.e. wholesale =50% of MSRP.)

i am not sure if you are purchasing the original headphones at retail and then marking up from there, which perhaps could justify the premium you are charging. if so, you are being unrealistic in deciding to go commercial with your mod at all regarding cost of materials.

also, amortizing your start-up costs with your first product is a sure way to alienate potential customers IMHO.
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« Reply #84 on: December 12, 2014, 09:52:08 PM »

   Thanks a lot for the kind words Colgin, I will surely do my very best.
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Re: Audio Zenith PM-X
« Reply #85 on: December 12, 2014, 10:16:24 PM »

hello,

   
this seems to be a very strange way to justify a pricing strategy.

if the base is the PM-2, why is pricing not based on it's MSRP plus the cost of the mods?

as an ancient veteran of the retail wars, i would think that the OPPO MSRP would be based on keystone (i.e. wholesale =50% of MSRP.)

i am not sure if you are purchasing the original headphones at retail and then marking up from there, which perhaps could justify the premium you are charging. if so, you are being unrealistic in deciding to go commercial with your mod at all regarding cost of materials.

also, amortizing your start-up costs with your first product is a sure way to alienate potential customers IMHO.

   OPPO is a direct sales company, at least here in US. I sure wish there was industry standard 50% thing but unfortunately this isn't happening. The only thing I could do is try making my Audio Zenith cost the same for everyone so there is no complaints from say Europe about unfair pricing. Overseas I will have to have dealers and as you can imagine will take a big hit on profitability, but I would rather do that then listen to complaints about unfairness.
   I wasn't talking about amortizing my start up costs, I meant to say that low volume pricing on just about everything needed for production is an issue with such start up. I just can't afford buying everything in a huge bulk hoping it will all sell one day.
  Hope this helps and thanks a lot for making me clarify those points.
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Re: Audio Zenith PM-X
« Reply #86 on: December 12, 2014, 10:30:38 PM »

You should worry about selling one before worrying about Europe, Intl, dealers. Let me ask: purrin or hans, you both heared it. Will you buy this overpriced gear? I recommended realistic self-assessment or suicide for you.
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Re: Audio Zenith PM-X
« Reply #87 on: December 12, 2014, 10:38:16 PM »

TEMP. LOCKING THREAD.


Anyways, I also got some Audeze. Will take same measurements and compare. I think relative comparison would be fair.
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Re: Audio Zenith PM-X
« Reply #88 on: December 16, 2014, 01:19:06 PM »

Russians on foreign forums often acts so strange, makes me feel  :-[
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Re: Audio Zenith PM-X
« Reply #89 on: December 16, 2014, 01:59:40 PM »

I chalk up what happened to: arrogance and language barrier (on Alex' side) and sensible criticism, good/bad jokes, whininess, and cruelty (on our side).

Eventually people were just baiting the bear, especially all the complaints about pricing. I sympathize if you want it for less money--who wants to pay more?--but no one's forcing you to buy it. Audio Zenith isn't Healthcare.gov.

I hope impressions from upcoming Christmastime meets will move the discussion forward in a positive and/or sensibly critical direction.
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