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Re: are ht receivers that bad? i dont think so(my first experience)
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2014, 09:46:42 PM »

The only issue with these things is that all that video switching, surround sound processing, and THX certification all costs licensing money that doesn't go into the product. If you actually need the multi-channel outputs and all the rest then sure, but if they are just being used as stereo amps, then the value becomes questionable. Usually a $200-300 Onkyo stereo receiver sounds just as good as a $600 Onkyo surround A/V receiver.
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Re: are ht receivers that bad? i dont think so(my first experience)
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2014, 10:38:40 PM »

I thought it was only good if it had shiny labels on the front saying it had at least 200w per channel x 9.8 and the THX logo on it.  :)p13


That said, I've always liked Onkyo and Yamaha.



Haha, I actually use to think the same. The fancy thx features never interested me but I got this onkyo for good price compared to other options they had. Was just surprised cause it performed better then expected. I always wanted an onkyo power amp in the past cause I heard good things about them but always stuck with sansui, Yamaha,  and Harman kardon. I was going to find a harman kardon cause I heard they still stick to the dual-mono low negative feedback design in there modern amps/receivers but went for the onkyo. Onkyo seems to fellow little of same design to Harman based off what they call wide range amplifier low negative feedback method.
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Re: are ht receivers that bad? i dont think so(my first experience)
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2014, 10:50:26 PM »

The only issue with these things is that all that video switching, surround sound processing, and THX certification all costs licensing money that doesn't go into the product. If you actually need the multi-channel outputs and all the rest then sure, but if they are just being used as stereo amps, then the value becomes questionable. Usually a $200-300 Onkyo stereo receiver sounds just as good as a $600 Onkyo surround A/V receiver.

I agree. It was the cheapest option I had though while my main amps need repair. I say it performs similar to m45 sound wise in my opinion.
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Re: are ht receivers that bad? i dont think so(my first experience)
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2014, 03:47:21 AM »

Yup. Regarding the cheapest option, I actually have the HTR-6160 which is the RX-V663 but could be had like $50 cheaper cuz the name.

At the time I bought, both Yamaha and Onkyo were updating their lines. Seems to happen once a year. Therefore discounts were appreciable. The SR606 and the HTR-6160/RX-V663 where the same price after discount. Sonics were nice on both with the very slight differences I described.

The two things that tilted me toward the RX-V663 where the temperature and the fact that it had 7.2 pre-outs. This sounded appealing if I decided to upgrade amp and speakers down the road. On the other hand, the SR606 had more HDMI inputs, but I figured I didn't need that many anyway (or might as well add a switch).

On paper from another side the RX-V663 looked better on distortion upto about 100W/Ch. But the Onkyo was able to deliver more watts before running out of juice (5 & 7 channel, 2 channel did better on the Yammy apparently).

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/yamaha-rx-v663-av-receiver-measurements

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/onkyo-tx-sr606-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures

Don't think either are THX certified though. But that's OK. There are other things George Lucas did better and eventually fucked up more over the years. Like Jar-Jar Binks.
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Re: are ht receivers that bad? i dont think so(my first experience)
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2014, 06:44:57 AM »

Don't think either are THX certified though. But that's OK. There are other things George Lucas did better and eventually fucked up more over the years. Like Jar-Jar Binks.

THX certification on receivers is mostly nonsense anyway. It calls for an 80hz high pass crossover - big deal, every receiver made in the last 15+ years has that anyway. Aside from that, there's very dubious SPL requirements in a given space that I'm sure can be greased by the manufacturer.

What you actually "get" is a THX Cinema surround mode, which sounds like garbage, and so called Re:EQ, which is basically a treble "off" switch. At least that's what you got the last time I had an A/V receiver, which is admittedly many years ago. I'm not sure if it's any better now.
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Re: are ht receivers that bad? i dont think so(my first experience)
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2014, 06:51:41 AM »

Don't care for it (THX). If it sounds good, works, and fits the bill, I'm cool.
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Re: are ht receivers that bad? i dont think so(my first experience)
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2014, 05:31:18 PM »

Yup. Regarding the cheapest option, I actually have the HTR-6160 which is the RX-V663 but could be had like $50 cheaper cuz the name.

At the time I bought, both Yamaha and Onkyo were updating their lines. Seems to happen once a year. Therefore discounts were appreciable. The SR606 and the HTR-6160/RX-V663 where the same price after discount. Sonics were nice on both with the very slight differences I described.

The two things that tilted me toward the RX-V663 where the temperature and the fact that it had 7.2 pre-outs. This sounded appealing if I decided to upgrade amp and speakers down the road. On the other hand, the SR606 had more HDMI inputs, but I figured I didn't need that many anyway (or might as well add a switch).

On paper from another side the RX-V663 looked better on distortion upto about 100W/Ch. But the Onkyo was able to deliver more watts before running out of juice (5 & 7 channel, 2 channel did better on the Yammy apparently).

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/yamaha-rx-v663-av-receiver-measurements

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/onkyo-tx-sr606-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures

Don't think either are THX certified though. But that's OK. There are other things George Lucas did better and eventually fucked up more over the years. Like Jar-Jar Binks.


The heat issues on the older onkyo before the models that started using hdmi inputs  were not much an Issue due to them using hefty heatsinks. Even though my onkyo is considered class a/b design it still runs fairly warm. The newer models I don't know.  I know Yamaha switched to class d in most of there newer models to make them more efficient same as Pioneer elite models I think.

Onkyo issues I ran into was there video switching issues with hdmi and the hdmi boards failing due to faulty firmware but apparently fixed the issue in current models.  Never read any complaints about the audio part of them and were well regarded for their audio performance and were top pick right next to denon or yamaha if music was priority and for all around use.

My 602 is older with only component inputs. Only negative thing I read on mine was it running fairly warm and could not convert composite to component and the auto mic speaker calibration was god awful. But of course I don't need the video inputs  and I hate using any form of eq so those issues I read was not problem with me. The digital inputs and analog inputs work perfectly and have no problem setting things up manually.
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Re: are ht receivers that bad? i dont think so(my first experience)
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2014, 05:43:42 PM »

Don't care for it (THX). If it sounds good, works, and fits the bill, I'm cool.

Same. I kinda figured it was nothing but subwoofer crossover thing.
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Re: are ht receivers that bad? i dont think so(my first experience)
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2014, 05:51:28 PM »

I also don't use the video upconversion of my Yammie. I need to play with its equalizer though. See what I get, but haven't yet.
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Re: are ht receivers that bad? i dont think so(my first experience)
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2014, 05:52:31 PM »

I use a bunch of NAD HT's which are surprisingly decent with the HD800s and go great with the AKG240DF's. Its stuff like orthos where they have this phat loose bass on the HT amps that simply don't gel well.

I didn't know nad still makes audio gear for ht. Only ortho I have is my modded fostex and works well with the onkyo. Never tried any older orthos since I do not own any. Only other then I tested was stax lambra pro to see if they still work due to previous rough move and thought pros performed great the split few minutes I had them hooked up for.
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