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MIT Z-Duplex Super 20A Power Conditioner
« on: August 18, 2014, 02:52:04 AM »

While attending the LA meet, Clemmaster and I stumbled upon this product at a vendor table - the MIT Z-Duplex power conditioner. It comes in the form of a wall outlet with some mystery filters attached to it that claims to eliminate hums/buzzes/clicks but doesn't limit dynamics. The vendor gave us a demo with this thing that supposedly picks up noise from the hotel (speaker thing with a switch) and it just keeps buzzing. Still skeptical, he handed us a power cable version to go try ourselves. It just so happens that Clemmaster's Lavardin amp had a horrible buzzing and high noise floor through our headphones so it would be a perfect test. Clem gave it a try and claimed that it had worked as advertised so we headed back to the guy and said:


Anyway, we shelled out for the most expensive model they offered which is the Z-Duplex Super. Today I finally got time to install that thing and as some of you know, I have a strange issue with power in my house. Occasionally there would be a ~1.5V spike in my power which causes my PC's PSU to start buzzing and my amp would produce the same buzzing with my headphones on (regardless of input). I haven't had much time to listen to music today so I can't say anything about how it affects SQ, but I left my PC on all day and it started to buzz. It didn't work the way I hoped it would BUT there's no buzzing coming from my amp! HOLY SHIT!

I'll do some listening after dinner and post some more impressions. Maybe some of you guys can explain the voodoo of the buzzing.
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Re: MIT Z-Duplex Super 20A Power Conditioner
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2014, 03:48:44 AM »

The most common causes of equipment buzzing are ground loop issues or DC on the line. The meter readers like to claim that any "competently designed" component power supply is basically "immune" to PL issues, which is a load of horse shit.

I can't say I'm the world's biggest MIT fan, but if it works, it works. There's a boatload of different ways that PLC manufacturers try to combat noise issues, the key is to not over pay by a factor of 1000% :cough: Shunyata :cough:.
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Re: MIT Z-Duplex Super 20A Power Conditioner
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2014, 06:39:34 AM »

I was reading the MIT Cables website on the Z Duplex Super that ohhg installed and saw this line...

"MIT uses patented parallel “AC Filterpoles”™; a tuned LCR technology"
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So just a fancy schmancy way of saying they put an inductor, capacitor and resistor into the socket? I guess if it works then ok, but for $300... I guess it's not the craziest thing I've seen, but still feels like a lot.
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Re: MIT Z-Duplex Super 20A Power Conditioner
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2014, 06:41:39 AM »

I use an SL Waber Wavetracker Noise Filter and Surge Protector which I use in a room with dimmers and buzzing lamp transformers which wreak havoc on the Mjolnir.

The Wavetrack stuff doesn't exist anymore. I think Tripp-Lite bought SL Waber. Tripp-Lite has the Isobar product line now. They are not cheap (caps, chokes, etc. inside), but still fairly priced.

The MIT stuff is the same shit, just more money. Like a lot more. I'm sure MIT's Dragonball Z Duplex Super Uppercut technology is better than Isobar because it sounds much cooler.



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Re: MIT Z-Duplex Super 20A Power Conditioner
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2014, 07:26:05 AM »

Those Isobar products do seem fairly priced. I'm wondering how my APC H10 compares to products like these (Dave, I know you commented on it briefly last time I mentioned it, but I forgot what you said, haha). The H10 does a great job sustaining the voltage and all that fun stuff, which is great for the fairly old house we're renting. You can hear the H10 click when voltage drops to boost it (I think?), say, when we've got both computers running and then turn on the microwave. I primarily got it to see if I could reduce the hum from my Sansui 5000A, but either it needs further restoration or I'm not using the H10 properly with all my gearz.

I'm just not sure what outlets to plug all my stuff into! Some are listed for digital filtering, some analog, etc., and I have two outlets that are supposed to be high current vs. all the others. I always get worried the non-high current outlets might be limiting my gear or causing weird filtering issues if I have them plugged in the wrong places. Why things gotta be complicated for a simpleton like myself?

ohhgourami, do you have a link for this specific product you're referring to? Is it a standalone conditioner or an AC outlet replacement?
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Re: MIT Z-Duplex Super 20A Power Conditioner
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2014, 07:46:12 AM »

AC outlet replacement: http://www.amazon.com/MIT-Z-Duplex-Super-In-wall-Conditioner/dp/B003NTLJ32

I got it for $150 which seems like a good discount.
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Re: MIT Z-Duplex Super 20A Power Conditioner
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2014, 09:09:27 AM »

Has anyone tried any GigaWatt stuff?  I was looking at their PF-1 / PF-2 as I can get it with local plugs, but I'm wondering if the reviews are full of it or not?
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Re: MIT Z-Duplex Super 20A Power Conditioner
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2014, 10:29:18 AM »


I use an SL Waber Wavetracker Noise Filter and Surge Protector which I use in a room with dimmers and buzzing lamp transformers which wreak havoc on the Mjolnir.

The Wavetrack stuff doesn't exist anymore. I think Tripp-Lite bought SL Waber. Tripp-Lite has the Isobar product line now. They are not cheap (caps, chokes, etc. inside), but still fairly priced.

The MIT stuff is the same shit, just more money. Like a lot more. I'm sure MIT's Dragonball Z Duplex Super Uppercut technology is better than Isobar because it sounds much cooler.





Here is the one I use. Great stuff.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SL-Waber-8-Outlet-Wavetracker-Isolated-Noise-Filter-Surge-Protector-WT8-15-/260938011290
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Re: MIT Z-Duplex Super 20A Power Conditioner
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2014, 01:57:07 PM »

Has anyone tried any GigaWatt stuff?  I was looking at their PF-1 / PF-2 as I can get it with local plugs, but I'm wondering if the reviews are full of it or not?

Looks like a fairly simple filter bar to me, unless I'm missing some sort of magic sauce. I sure as hell don't see a thousand Euros worth of stuff in this thing. Some nice copper bus bars instead of point-to-point wiring and they don't use MOVs. Okay, again where's a thousand Euros going here?

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Re: MIT Z-Duplex Super 20A Power Conditioner
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2014, 02:18:18 PM »

Those Isobar products do seem fairly priced. I'm wondering how my APC H10 compares to products like these (Dave, I know you commented on it briefly last time I mentioned it, but I forgot what you said, haha). The H10 does a great job sustaining the voltage and all that fun stuff, which is great for the fairly old house we're renting. You can hear the H10 click when voltage drops to boost it (I think?), say, when we've got both computers running and then turn on the microwave. I primarily got it to see if I could reduce the hum from my Sansui 5000A, but either it needs further restoration or I'm not using the H10 properly with all my gearz.

I'm just not sure what outlets to plug all my stuff into! Some are listed for digital filtering, some analog, etc., and I have two outlets that are supposed to be high current vs. all the others. I always get worried the non-high current outlets might be limiting my gear or causing weird filtering issues if I have them plugged in the wrong places. Why things gotta be complicated for a simpleton like myself?

The H10 appears to be a combination of a series type filter and a transformer based voltage regulator, as opposed to say one of APC's UPS models which would use its battery to boost/buck voltage. The click is from the transformer. The transformer is claimed at 1kVA, but that's NOT the same as a 1kVA rated isolation transformer. That's not what it's doing. An iso transformer would be three times bigger and weigh three times as much.

So called "high-current" outlets are a tell tale sign of a series filter (or you can just look inside). Series filters are the most common types and are very inexpensive to make, but their main downsides are that they are generally only effective at filtering noise from around 100kHz on up, and they are current restrictive.

In almost all cases, the analog/digital outlet labels are just suggestions. The filter networks going to each duplex are likely identical, but assuming there's some isolation between each duplex, they are suggesting that you plug your TV or DVD player or cable box or other similar devices into one outlet, and relatively low draw audio components into a different one, rather than just plugging stuff in at random. Assuming you component doesn't draw more than 300 or 400 watts, it should be fine plugged into one of the standard filtered outlets.

How much filtering the high-current outlets get depends on the particular model of conditioner, but IME they are still not capable of passing absolutely everything the wall socket can dish out, the designs just don't allow for that. That's why massive Class A monoblocks or other megawatt amps are best left not plugged in to those types of conditioners. They are much better served by (an admittedly much more expensive) UberBUSS or Adept Response or Running Springs Duke conditioner.



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