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Author Topic: ER4S revisted (again for 4th time) versus UERM, ZA CT DX200, Klipsch R6R  (Read 7479 times)

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Re: ER4S revisted (again for 4th time) versus UERM, ZA CT DX200, Klipsch R6R
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2014, 06:22:11 AM »
For those interested, this is what my EQ settings look like for the ER4S.



In truth, I can live without these settings when it comes to listening to my desktop rig. My Zune is a different story; lack of low-end can be bothersome. Even without EQ, the ER4S is still going to deliver the accuracy that most IEMs could only dream of. And despite what one might think of its flaws, keep in mind that the ER4S responds incredibly well to EQ.

The high shelf is pretty effective. It's still going to be very clinical throughout the spectrum; in other words EQing the bass doesn't affect the midrange presentation. And it's not going to make the bass impactful so to speak, but it will make it less anemic and more satisfying for recordings that are exciting the energy in that lowest octave. You can actually turn the ER4S into quite a (high quality) bass monster with enough EQ, and it'll maintain its great control and definition regardless. You can also push the filter higher in frequency by making the bandwidth wider (more gradual change) and adjusting the corner in turn.

The little dip at 8k I'm less certain about. Sometimes I want to move it up, down, left, right or get rid of it completely. It comes and goes depending on my mood, the recording, insertion depth, stars aligning, w/e.

Should also mention that I don't feel the need to EQ around 3k, although other folks (and measurements) have mentioned that it might be a little emphasized around there. Gotta play by ear here.

I like to drive the ER4S off tubes believe it or not. It does scale with high quality gear. A good SS amp that's free of harshness gives me no problems either.
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Re: ER4S revisted (again for 4th time) versus UERM, ZA CT DX200, Klipsch R6R
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2014, 10:47:13 AM »
I think your Zune has issues.  I don't need nearly 6dB on my portable rig to get low end extension.  What's the OI on the Zune?  Of course there maybe other issues beyond OI like fit and other things beyond overly basic measurements.
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Re: ER4S revisted (again for 4th time) versus UERM, ZA CT DX200, Klipsch R6R
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2014, 06:18:31 PM »
Output impedance should be low. Or at least low enough not to affect an 100 Ohm load. Could measure it.

FWIW, I hear the ZuneHD as having a warmish sound throughout the mids/treble. But fundamentally lacking bass impact/dynamics/realism. Basically, it doesn't do the ER4S any favors. This is relative to my clearly superior desktop rig. Taking a step back, the ZuneHD is a great sounding player.

I'm not EQing to try to improve extension. As I've said before, it's an impact issue; Ety bass is kind of anemic by nature and this is the only real way to try to counter it. Keep in mind that it's only a 6dB boost in the sub-bass. On a lot of my reference tracks, there's not a lot of energy there so it's mostly benign. The midbass is boosted about 3dB which is inline with how I hear it. I could just use something closer to a 3dB shelf if that's what you're getting at, but I'd just have to make sure the slope wasn't too steep while still affecting only the specific part of the band that I feel actually needs a bit more umph.
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Re: ER4S revisted (again for 4th time) versus UERM, ZA CT DX200, Klipsch R6R
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2015, 09:36:39 PM »
Just bit necroposting . Just grabbed a pair or Etys ER4s/p last week.

Who played with dampers here? Just to be sure green stock one are 1500 Ohm right ?

And what about tips ? Did someone tried custom tips ?
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Re: ER4S revisted (again for 4th time) versus UERM, ZA CT DX200, Klipsch R6R
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2015, 09:44:12 PM »
I used westone silicone tips and it didn't work out well for me. They really do need a deep fit and the custom molds just didn't allow for that. I also had them put into acrylic shells ala CIEM style and it was a similar fate unless you get someone to give you the "musician fit" for your molds.
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Re: ER4S revisted (again for 4th time) versus UERM, ZA CT DX200, Klipsch R6R
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2015, 09:52:48 PM »
Surprisingly . i have somewhat good results tonight with stock complys  p:8 . replaced stock dampers by Orange 3300 Ohms knowles ones too.  I haven't any red 2200Ohms dampers but a priori, it should hit the sweet spot for me.

I thought to ask to piotr Granicki at Custom arts to make Custom tips for me but I wonder it it worth the (affordable) cost. he already has my ear prints.
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Re: ER4S revisted (again for 4th time) versus UERM, ZA CT DX200, Klipsch R6R
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2015, 11:08:15 PM »
Quote from: Sorrodje on April 19, 2015, 09:36:39 PM
Just bit necroposting . Just grabbed a pair or Etys ER4s/p last week.

Who played with dampers here? Just to be sure green stock one are 1500 Ohm right ?

And what about tips ? Did someone tried custom tips ?

It's basically a treble tone control. Go on the Head-Fi ER4S thread and they'll tell you the red filters are best. But it's also worth trying the orange and yellow ones depending on your preferences.

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Re: ER4S revisted (again for 4th time) versus UERM, ZA CT DX200, Klipsch R6R
« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2015, 12:22:21 AM »
OJ beat me to it. I first learned about this from zowki and modulor.

I've tried all the filters because I strongly dislike the stock green ones. I can live with orange, but like yellow the most. Especially with Vali, as suggested by hidehavoc. For tips, I use Comply P series.
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Re: ER4S revisted (again for 4th time) versus UERM, ZA CT DX200, Klipsch R6R
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2015, 06:52:44 AM »
@OJneg. thks. I'd already read Rinchoi's articles. I had a pair of SHure SE535 a few month ago and played with dampers ;)

@Claritas : Orange dampers seem to sound good. Maybe a notch more treble would be fine. will try red ones. but Firstly, i'll order some custom tips and only then select the appropriate tips ;) .

I thought those er4 was exclusively usable with Triple flange tips but it seems I was told Bullshits.  IEMs Fit & Seal seem to be a very personal thing and it's hard to take exemple from others.  p:8
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Re: ER4S revisted (again for 4th time) versus UERM, ZA CT DX200, Klipsch R6R
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2015, 07:23:44 AM »
What was your problem with the tri-flanges? I've tried just about all of them (including customs) and tri-flanges are the best provided you can get used to the deep insertion. I wouldn't recommend customs at all, as they'll kill the bass and make the treble peakier.
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