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Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« on: June 27, 2013, 12:08:34 AM »


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I'm about to endeavour into making a custom IEM from grounds up, starting with ear impressions, through design, tuning to damping and maybe even measurements.
The whole idea is to make the most neutral yet musical IEM possible.
Also mess up horribly and spend lots of cash. (I bet I could buy about 2 ready-made TOTL CIEMs for this.)
Hopefully no electrocution will be involved this time - fortunately, last time it wasn't me being zapped.

Current plans involve:
1) Ear impression materials and tools - in progress, thanks to Corey
2) VSonic GR07 for a neutral dynamic driver CIEM experiment - ordered
3) 100% silicone with citric acid (medical) - acetic acid is smelly, but in a pinch could be used
4) Silicone caulk with gypsum (need pure gypsum and have to find the right proportion)
5) Custom tips for IEMs - Sony MH1, Hifiman RE-ZERO and RE-600 - to test the impression and molding process
6) Hacky 3D scanner to digitize the impression - to be done this weekend
7) Sonion 2354 tweeter armatures for neutral 4-way BA CIEM experiment
(The other two are Knowles TWFK and Sonion 26A005/8, which I already have. TWFK counts as two, the FK will be useful for bass.)
8) Silicone tubing - have some 4/6mm tubing as well as 2/4mm. Might need even smaller, e.g. 1/2mm.
9) Detailed crossover design for the BA CIEM

Optional further ideas:
A) PMA (polymethylacrylate) elastomer inserts - faux leather
B) UV printed acrylic shell
C) Using different 3D printing stock from ABS (e.g. PP - polypropylene)
D) Replaceable cables, probably Westone sockets

The choice for dynamic driver experiment is VSonic GR07's driver, because it's reasonably neutral and mostly hampered by the not that great, mostly undampened shell and too narrow nozzle. This driver is also nicely protected against likely mishandling. (Yes, I've killed a few IEMs while taking them apart. The membranes are easily damaged.)
Interior will be dampened, most likely with cotton, but perhaps glass wool. I also considering sourcing some Kapok cotton and silk.
This driver doesn't really require any venting.

The BA CIEM will have an external crossover unit for ease of tweaking and building, kinda like UM PP6. I'll try to use lowest values possible, probably 3+3rd order Butterworth for good phase linearity and excellent frequency response. Alternatively Linkwitz, 2nd order.
I'll try first order too, but I suspect that this will cause some interactions.

Current idea of this setup involves using both FK and Sonion-low (26A005/8) as bass drivers and mids drivers, WFK and Sonion-high (2354) as highs driver. The crossovers will be probably placed at 6 kHz (FK/WFK - B2 uses default 4.5, this might be good too if I cross Sonion-high lower)  and 5k or 8 kHz (Sonion-high), 3rd order Butterworth likely. Sonion-low (26A005/8) will be running full range.
Resulting impedance should be relatively low, around 20-50 Ohm, and flattish, similarly phase response. High sensitivity. The peak/dip pattern falls such that the drivers mostly complement each other.
If it becomes necessary, I'll also have Knowles dampers, but I'd rather not resort to them.
Venting shouldn't be necessary here really - even the Sonion drivers don't need it really unless they're used as a sole bass driver.
Tubing layout is not determined yet.

The armatures in question all have a different wideband sound: Sonion-low is warm smooth sounding, Sonion-high is sharp and coldish, FK is quite sharp while WFK is nicely smooth. Properly blended, this should give a neutral timbre.

I will either get a measurement microphone and jury-rig a measurement setup, send them to Anax/purrin for measurement, or both once I'm happy with the sound.
Starting a production line is not really planned, but I might do a one-off request, who knows.

Datasheets of the BAs:
Sonion 26A005/8
Sonion 2354
Knowles TWFK

Visual ear impression and insert manufacture instructions (for those who can't understand Polish; there are some descriptions for others) are here:
http://www.ia.amu.edu.pl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=76&Itemid=16
Compared to this lab, my gear will be better in a few ways and worse in others. For example, I don't have a dryer, "gel machine" and pressurized equipment, but instead I will have many more kinds of lacquer and grease, lots of cyanoacrylate glue, various solvents, better mechanical tools.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2013, 01:48:28 AM by AstralStorm »
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2013, 12:25:29 AM »

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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2013, 12:51:18 AM »

In terms of the dynamic, could a very small vent be added to give better subbass and bass energy? How does that effect the dampening system you'll use?

Also, a vent lets the diaphragm move fully, I was told by a Future Sonics tech, but I'm just parroting that because I'd like to hear your feelings on it.
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2013, 12:58:19 AM »

Yes, a vent will prevent overpressurization - but that shouldn't be an issue. Most of the time, a vent acts as a resonator, depending on placement and size, anywhere in 0.1 kHz to 8 kHz range.

Original VSonic GR07 is vented, but I've found that closing the vents, esp. the front one, reduces its bass boost to neutral levels with no adverse effects, as the cellulose driver itself is not sensitive to ear canal impedance, insertion depth or pressure.

Stock venting is clearly designed to enhance bass response - which doesn't need to be enhanced really.

Damping material further reduces the need for venting to maintain subbass response by making the apparent air volume larger - slower speed of sound in the damping medium.
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2013, 01:15:03 AM »

Interesting. Will you further mess with the shape of the space around the driver to tune it?

Also, will it be like a custom-shell with universal fit design or custom-fit because damn, you'll get yourself a little market for your experiment here, I'll bet. I'll pony up for one. Looking forward to seeing how the dynamic and ba designs turn out.

How about a hybrid?
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2013, 01:31:50 AM »

The starting ones will be fully custom, since I'm making it for myself, like any respectable insane scientist should. I might build more of course just to see if I can reproduce it.
The 3D printed variant will be simple to adapt and reshell.
Silicone one, well... The dynamic driver one might be especially tricky. Essentially have to do-over the whole IEM. It's not impossible to have a silicone universal though.

Hybrids are overrated in my opinion - a single dynamic driver can do everything a set of BAs can, except being small and easy to install. And perhaps resilient against moisture. In fact, they excel at distortion and some also at decay - and they beat most BA setups at high end extension. Plus there are no crossovers and fewer parts to mess with. Therefore, combining a BA with a dynamic driver would only be useful to shape the frequency response at the cost of added distortion of the armature if it cannot be achieved in a cheaper and simpler way.
Not to mention the BA will be somewhere in the way of the pressure wave, distorting it and causing reflections - messing up the highest end further.
However, BA are easier on QC, since all parts are testable separately. Plus the small size and no need for a resonant chamber is sometimes huge.
The other way around, adding a bass dynamic driver to BAs, is not a good idea - in bass, neither a small dynamic driver nor proper BA is superior, except perhaps at air movement - which can be solved by tossing more BAs at the problem.

I will of course tweak the resonant cavity if necessary. For a dynamic of this size and Qts, I'll need an apparent volume of 1.5 cm^3, which is about 2.5x the original one. It's not huge, like with Hifiman weird older drivers. (RE-ZERO, RE-0, RE-2xx series)
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2013, 02:28:41 AM »

Huh, thanks for explaining.

It's weird that vsonic didn't use a large enough shell and you mentioned that this was part of the 7k spike they have.

Anyway, it'll be very interesting and I hope you'll let people send you gr07's and some cash as things go along. You can always have a set number you'd like to make (put me on the list!).


Too bad there's not a way to source the re-272 driver and give it some subbass...

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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2013, 08:58:32 AM »

A question, and might be silly: wouldn't the GR07 not sound like a GR07 if you take away the shell and the narrow nozzle? I'm only basing this on only my experience with mildly modding my T50RP and changing IEM eartips. Since even changing eartips does change the overall sound a bit at the very least, won't something larger like taking out the GR07 driver out of its shell change the sound drastically?
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2013, 09:57:48 AM »

They will sound like GR07. I've actually shortly tested a transplant into dampened Brainwavz M2 shells, which worked beautifully and actually improved both sound and fit.
Unfortunately, an accident happened while removing one of the drivers and I broke the membrane in one channel. (my plastic screwdriver has slipped)
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2013, 07:46:06 PM »

Extremely ambitious. Good luck AS! I wish I could get hold of a 3D printer
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