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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2013, 10:36:44 PM »

3D printers range from cheap to extremely expensive. Decent small one can be bought for less than $800 in a kit form, all parts, ready to be assembled or even fully assembled. I won't be endorsing any of the specific shops as there are quite a few. Complete kits can even be bought off fleabay, even cheaper.

The tricky part is sourcing ABS filament at decent prices.
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2013, 01:10:38 AM »

Ahh, so my understanding is wrong.

Either way, godspeed on your project. This is going to be interesting.
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2013, 05:19:15 AM »

3D printers range from cheap to extremely expensive. Decent small one can be bought for less than $800 in a kit form, all parts, ready to be assembled or even fully assembled. I won't be endorsing any of the specific shops as there are quite a few. Complete kits can even be bought off fleabay, even cheaper.

The tricky part is sourcing ABS filament at decent prices.

For the interested, Kickstarter does have lots of printers for small form factors at very affordable prices. Though one has to wait for a long time. Anyways, great to see a project like this hear, good luck!
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2013, 05:31:57 AM »

Have a look at my threads on HF, you might find something useful.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/616728/ciem-digital-manufacturing-hybrid-iem
http://www.head-fi.org/t/661952/diy-custom-in-ear-monitor-information-resource

Cheap 3D printers , I am not sure of accuracy of them and if they will be able to print shells of 0.2 to 0.5mm with undercuts.Easier way would be to use manual method and UV curing.

For Dynamic driver you will need to have exact same enclosure so as to produce same tuning. DD can be tuned by air volume on back and front of drivers.
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2013, 09:16:37 AM »

Yes, they will easily be able to handle such small smooth undercuts in a smooth shape like an impression.

I will slightly retune GR07's driver, since I know how to improve on the original tuning - which is quite good already.
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2013, 08:17:45 AM »

Ok, real life contravened the 3D scanner implementation. Have to order a camera with the right focusing length and preferably zoom, that's also controllable from computer.
Alternatively, need one extra stepper for the depth.

The idea is to use focus information to detect the depth and "just about sharp" pixels, for starters with a small reasonably high strength central difference filter, but perhaps some better edge detector later.
The camera needs short focus depth and very low depth of field. For f = 38mm, f/1.4 would be appropriate for 1mm resolution, but I need something better. Larger zoom lens that is.
I'll ask around in the camera thread.

The alternative is to use the grid projection, but it has one drawback - cannot capture color.
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2013, 12:26:02 AM »

Project continues. I hear the required impression materials are soon to arrive, meaning week or two.
In the meantime, I'll have some Sugru to experiment this weekend. We're running a bit of experiment and some Instructables.
Mine will be about shallow/medium fit impressions and perhaps a universal but customized ear tip as well.
3D scanner project will be resurrected using a dynamic grid or interference scanning too, also this weekend and later.

Measurement microphone is also near, should get out of customs office momentarily.
Calibrated Dayton Audio EMM-6, real cheap and supposedly better than "staple" Behringer ECM8000, see Parts Express.
I do have proper recording hardware with phantom power.
However, what I don't have is a real coupler, so I'll improvise using a silicone tubing of correct volume. Later perhaps my own ear canal negative mold.
One of the molds will probably be an ear and cheek simulator - but that later. For now, IEMs.
Pics of the setup will be coming.

Mold making materials - acrylic, silicone, silicone tenderizer, mold release etc. have been ordered as well, should arrive next week.
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2013, 10:20:02 AM »

Don't get anything stuck in your ears!  :)p13

Looking forward to the next installment, with pictures!  :)p7

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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2013, 04:52:30 PM »

Also received GR07 Flagship edition.
Better tip selection thanks to foamhybrids, but none of these are still suitable for deep insertion. Best results with Hifiman long biflanges with "gap" between the flanges or with Hifiman small biflanges. Both ar a tiny bit too large, need to be pushed past the stopper and are just clutch fit on the IEM.

Annoying to audible 6.3k ringing (depending on depth) and some boost giving an edge to the sound, bit subbass drop, reduced air, but it seems they did something there to the shell, sound is less bassy and more airy than I remember. It's a minor but good change. It also is silver and looks and feels thicker. I'll let it live for some time in normal form.
So it's likely the patented nozzles are the source of their ringing or the thick metal meshes in them.

Kinda a real difference after all the Hifimans and especially minor modded Sony MH1 which are nearly linear and excellent fidelity. (and possible to improve yet more I think.)
5 years... they sound outdated nowadays. I'll try to make them shine, the issues are related to both shell and fit much more than the driver.

Pics will be incoming on weekend assuming SugruĀ® experiment will pan out. And even if it won't.
A friend apparently has some molding silicone left from another project too, so I might be able to create the measurement negative.
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2013, 02:00:59 AM »

AS, would you say a different, more recent driver might be more technically capable?

I have been told part of the price with higher end dynamic driver earphones, such as the monster turbine copper/gold for example, is simply that they sort through the normal turbine drivers they have and naturally some perform better than others. They take the top 10%, match them better than usual, and give better cables, etc. At least, that was what I was told by Grandpa Karth a few years back.

Would you say that's still the case, more or less?

Are newer dynamics giving better quality at lower prices than they did a few years back?

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