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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2013, 10:09:55 AM »

The ED has pretty good extension in the ER-4, so you think the Sonion tweeters have better extension?

I'm not going to make it myself, I don't have access to a "hacker lab" like you, I'm basically just telling a CIEM designer what I want ^^

Sooooo what colour is the GR07 driver?  Like this?  http://cdn.head-fi.org/d/d7/1000x500px-LL-d7c1fc31_GR-07Driver.png

You could use a resistor on the outside of the CIEM, it's a cool idea! http://www.barks.jp/gakki/news/?id=1000079454

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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2013, 11:26:24 AM »

There is one Sonion tweeter doing to 20 kHz and another to 19k. The specs are available on site. This ED does 17k and is more of a midrange and low highs driver. Good for a 3-way.

GR07 driver is indeed encased in a bronze or brass case. Super light cellulose.

About the crossover design, I will rather put it in the box on the cable for ease of modification, making it also possible to run an active design or a digital one. The multi BA will use these Sonions in the first post, perhaps with a Knowles CI bass driver, the best one there is for BA, and TWFK for upper midrange and upper bass. 4-way, but a cross like a 5-way to avoid resonant regions. Trying to avoid any use of dampers as well.
WBFK + 2354 highs, some 2354 + FK + 26A005/8 mids, 26A005/8 + some FK + CI bass, 26A005/8 + CI subbass.
The resonances complement each other. Smooth Bessel crosses should do, perhaps with some phase alignment tricks.

I will be able to keep the size small by that abovementioned trick. Remember I am working in silicone, as I don't have Loctite or the UV dryer. That might follow later.
3D scanning as well, so I will be able to make shells in ABS and maybe PVC, PP or PU.
I also want to experiment in making a soft PU and silicone foam CIEM.
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2013, 12:38:56 PM »

I remember reading some notes about using crossover components as close as possible to drivers.

2354 is vented ,I guess you cannot use it in Silicone.
For mid range you can use 1700 headspace is good.

You will have to use dampers to smooth the peaks.
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2013, 12:44:08 PM »

The venting is for bass response. It is not strictly required, especially not for the use as a tweeter.
Plus you can vent in silicone too, it is just harder to lay out the tubes or drill the holes than in acrylic.
No need to front dampen, as the crossovers will be designed to reduce the peaks, plus the FR complement each other.

The custom GR07 will be vented, just like FutureSonic Ear Monitors, combined with damping, likely cotton.
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2013, 02:53:25 AM »

Here's one VSonic experiment. Nicely linearizes them by shifting resonances down a lot. Plus it makes them fit very well and look ridiculous in ears, like Frankenstein monster's bolts.
The shifted resonances nicely linearize 1k - 3k region with slight bump at 4k. (And they're not at the annoying 6.5k ear canal resonance.) About 3 dB differences.
Bass response is also shifted down, while extreme highs extension is a bit improved.
Sensitivity is reduced 12 dB or so. (toggling 4x gain on UHA-6 gives same loudness)

The tips feel better in the ear for some reason, perhaps because now I don't get to jam them super deep and they fit precisely on the first bend. Not like a silicone CIEM, but still very good.

How to make these hacked tips? Jam a 2 cm long silicone 4mm tube down Hifiman long tips using tweezers, making it into a long tip with 1 cm stem and internal diameter 1mm smaller. (It's 4mm, GR07 is made for 3mm tips but can hold some 4mm too.)

This makes me yet more hopeful for the CIEM experiment and custom tips with these.

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I will be sculpting and building an ear-and-cheek attachment for the measurement microphone (with some sculpted ear canal) and trying out a new excellent silicone foam process. That foam has interesting properties:
- hard until the last step, making for machining as in pure silicone
- flows exactly like pure silicone
- open cell, but not a huge lot
- soft with some memory but mechanically resistant - softer than Shure olives, firmer than Comply (will check with various source silicone; this is with one generic junk)
- smooth surface
- shock resistance and low resonance, usable for a damping material
- no need for annoying gas tanks or toxic, smelly solvents

The main drawback is that the process requires a full crosslinking step. (When it's machine-able.) Me and a friend will be trying to optimize it to not have to wait 24 h and dry it some more afterwards.
This will be an interesting material to make a CIEM and tips in.
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2013, 05:37:00 AM »

So the ear impression hardware has arrived. It's enough for a year of daily ear impressions for one person, or so.
Contents include: DS-50 gun, 2x CIC impression syringes, box of 30 Siemens Silhouette singlets, 2x QuickCast DS-50 cartridges, box of Westone SiliClone (medium?) DS-50 cartridges (x8), Silicoat lacquer, small DS-50 mixing tips x10, medium DS-50 mixing tips (lots), small (gray, x50) and medium (white, x50) foam stops.

Also related: 2x EtyPlugs (NRR 12; actually 18 dB atten.), various Knowles dampers (white, gray, red, green, orange AFAIR)
And one lithium battery quick checker as a gift for the interesting way of sending stuff by the guy I was ordering from.

I've had my first shot at self-made ear impressions yesterday and today.
I'll describe the processes in more detail later, once I'm fully comfortable with them.
Haven't tested the gun method yet - I want to work out the kinks with the usual syringe method.

For now, some tips:
  • Insert foam stop until the abrasion starts to be noticeable and slightly uncomfortable. That means it's past the second bend.
  • If the impression is right, the end of ear canal part should be smooth, not pitted like skin.
  • Do not skimp on impression material - the right amount is a bit more than half of the singlet for me ~32 ml of the mixed mass for me. Using a whole is fine, you can't reuse it anyway as even without mixing it will harden in air too fast for even the second impression.
  • Keep it longer than the instructions indicate. Best until it stops "popping" or "foaming" noises - that means the silicone has stopped expanding and probably vulcanizing. With these Siemens Silhouette singlets, it takes about 4 minutes.
  • It is hard to control the nozzle of the syringe while doing it yourself without a mirror. I didn't use one actually for these, but it should help.
  • Get a small endoscope to place the foam stops correctly - USB endoscopes are cheap and available on eBay. I didn't get one either.
  • Get all 3 sizes of foam stops - you never know... My left ear needs small, right ear needs large - even medium one leaked a bit.
  • A small leak beyond the foam stop is not a cause for alarm - but it does waste material and makes for slightly shorter impression.
  • I felt a bit of nausea after taking one of the impressions - it's either its silicone oil content or more likely a vagus nerve reaction. No cause for alarm. Technically, you could even temporarily fall unconscious (syncope) from it - which isn't harmful either unless it happens a lot, but will mess up the impression. The other more severe possibility is always a terrible allergic reaction, but odds of that are very low.
  • In a pinch, you could use a fast platinum cure silicone like Smooth-On MoldStar 15 Fast, but in that case, it is essential that the foam stop fits perfectly, as those are less viscuous and softer, plus it takes 10-15 minutes to cure instead of 3 minutes. I haven't tried yet, first need to get perfect results with normal stuff.
  • Do not press the impression while taking it. Smoothing out the surface is not really possible anyway without applying lots of pressure with these singlets - but if you tried, you'd distort the outer ear part and possibly ear canal too. The material can always be added to the back to smooth it out.

And now, the pictures - I cannot take pics yet of the process, for that you'll have to wait until later today, Friday or Saturday.
The left one used a whole singlet, right one was an experiment using 50% of the singlet. Both are respectable, but right one could use slightly more material indeed - there are slight non-critical pits in the outer ear part.
I&# 039;ll also try to smooth them out and protect the impressions with lacquer later today. Perhaps even make the negative mold.

[EDIT: Forum and/or web browsers do not understand EXIF rotation, so everything is flipped. I'll fix it later.]
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2013, 10:07:38 AM »

Another fine day of hacking.

Highlights: learned to use the mechanical impression gun, figured out how to make a negative properly, figured out tube routing (but not tried yet).
Another round of silicone foam experiments - previous were a failure probably due to gloves containing sulphur.
Lots of practice on placing foam stops - now no leaks.

Thoughts and hints:
  • Impression material makes a huge difference. Warner Tech-care Quick-Pro ("Clear" color) is the worst. Out of 4 impressions, all had major flaws. I think it is too viscuous and rips while applying due to sticking to the gun. Siemens Silhouette singlets are tricky to use - have to mix it very fast and apply, tends to harden too quickly in the syringe. Usually leaves tiny "fold" artifacts as it is slightly too viscuous when applying. (Blue color) Westone SiliClone is the best. Both impressions made with it were perfect and it is very efficient to boot. I think like Silhouettes it also expands, but is less viscuous. (Pink Color)
  • You have to lacquer or apply release compound for silicone-silicone mold - that wasn't indicated in Smooth-On Mold Star 16 Fast instructions. Wasted one pair of impressions on this.
  • The foam stop has to be placed uncomfortably deep and getting the end of the syringe there is notably painful and uncomfortable.
  • The impression gun needs an improvement to be able to use a whole DS-50 cartridge - it leaves about 1.5 cm in it.
  • Applying the foam stop yourself is quite easy. I think it is much harder to put one to somebody else's ear canal, even with an otoscope and/or correct endoscope.
  • Lacquer coat is best done by dipping a whole impression in it. Have to really attach it to something though so that it is easy to get out.

I've made some new pictures and also a movie, but it is missing the foam stop application step. I'll make a better one later, anyway there are plenty of those on the net, it's not anything special.

Grrr, I had to post this multiple times, got a white screen. The remaining pics are available here on Dropbox. Unfortunately I can't link to them directly, or they don't get the nice thumbnails and take the whole page.  :)p10
Also a friend's "gypsum bust" project: pics on Dropbox.
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2013, 12:19:08 PM »

Great progress AS!  So you're doing all the impressions to yourself? That feels like it must make it more difficult, but seems you're handling it well.  :)p4

My wife is much more interested in the Gypsum Bust project!!  That's right up her hobby alley!
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2013, 08:21:04 PM »

Doing the impressions yourself is part easier, part harder. The easier part (if you have a steady hand) is placing the foam stop correctly - you will feel it expand and be very uncomfortable at the right depth.
The hard part is actually applying the impression material - the position, especially with the gun, is highly unnatural, as if you were touching a shotgun to your forehead from the side - and you also need to exert non-neglible amount of pressure on the release.

About the bust thingy - what the friend was doing here is the following:
  • Take a Guy Fawkes' mask
  • Build a polyclay (non-sulphur plasticine maybe?) sculpture of the same shape below it
  • Put the mask on it and fill any missing parts, cut any excess as necessary
  • Cool it down so that the clay hardens
  • Apply silicone with thixotropic additive and some light petrol solvent - the reason for the solvent is that the silicone was very old. Acetone didn't work.

Later plan likely involves filling the resulting silicone mold with gypsum, we'll see.
I'm not entirely sure why he used silicone there for any reason, I'll ask again.
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Re: Hack-a-CIEM: Pirate's story
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2013, 05:44:03 AM »

Next step. I've managed to remove the impression from the form, it was quite a bit harder than expected - it adhered very well.
At least it was possible. Now I'm making the positive with a 4mm silicone tube in it as a custom tip for RE-400. Should be similar to shallow fit I think, I can always try to cut a deeper hole for the IEM. (Try being the operative word, because I don't have the right small enough tool, so I'll have to use a knife.)

This time the negative was coated in Ease Release 205 (5% silicone separator liquid) by dropping a bit of it into the negative. That should make it easy to separate... or will not work at all.
Made the positive from the harder slow Mold Star 30 to just check the mechanical properties of this silicone. I will have to work it a bit as it will have some surface flaws. Probably both with a Dremel tool and some solvent.
Tubes are stopped with a bit of paper on both ends. I could use something more advanced, but this should serve and be easy to remove.
A possible mistake: applied demolding liquid while the tubes were in place, so they might not adhere well. We'll see.

Also tried to further the silicone foam experiment, but our microwave (already broken), broke the faux rotating plate in a hilarious way.
On a related note, we now have a decent rotary medium vacuum pump. Need a transformer, oil and a vacuum chamber to remove all kinds of air bubbles.

Notes:
  • Do not use fast silicones without vacuum pump. There will be air bubbles and they will be annoying in a negative.
  • Smooth impressions should be much easier to unseal. I've been testing with the lousy "clear" ones with holes filled manually.
  • The soft Mold Star 15 Fast silicone is very resilient, doesn't change shape even when relatively large forces are applied.
  • Next time try not to cover the ear mold over with the silicone when making the negative, as now the impression is shallower than I'd like. Not deep enough for a full size CIEM. For that, I need to mount it shallower and use a bit less silicone.
  • Silicone tubes are stopped with

Pics included. The microwave one was more hilarious in real life, esp. while it was still shining bright  The weird blue stuff (both in microwave and in the pic with the large cup) is the silicone foam mix, first version. I've cut a cylinder for foam tips with a rotary tool, which is not the best way - done properly it would have a smooth surface.
It is workable in hand while semi-thick, but I don't have vinyl gloves - will have to get a bunch of these. Normal latex gloves contain sulphur and will prevent silicone binding.
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