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Re: TF10 = UERM?; A case against the pseudo objective crowd
« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2013, 05:40:16 AM »
Sorry, no, I'm on a vegan diet. Eating objectivistas would raise my blood cholesterol and prevent me from losing weight, they're so full of themselves.

Now then, we actually could sacrifice one UE900, one TF10 and one UERM for this, but where would the fun be?
Let's just measure those and kill the argument - we're only missing UE900.
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Re: TF10 = UERM?; A case against the pseudo objective crowd
« Reply #41 on: July 17, 2013, 06:54:45 AM »
Quote from: thegunner100 on July 17, 2013, 02:39:16 AM
And it begins... http://www.head-fi.org/t/672716/the-999-vs-99-challenge-tour

Will any of you be joining this?

Edit: just realized that it's a closed tour.

It's not a closed tour, but given that the items are quite valuable, Eke and I have primarily contacted folks we already know from our prior loan tours.

Anyone with a Head-Fi account can still apply (PM eke2k6 or james444), he/she'd just need someone we know to vouch for him/her, or convince us in some other way that he/she's trustworthy. Due to time constraints, we may limit the total number of participants though.

As for "eating objectivistas", the last thing I want is to exacerbate an objectivist vs. subjectivist cockfight (though I'm well aware of the risk). I'm far from claiming that this has any scientific merit, but nevertheless think it's a fun experiment and carries the potential to send a message across the fence, in one direction or the other. With that said, I'm asking everyone to keep an open mind, lean back and enjoy...  :)p4

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Re: TF10 = UERM?; A case against the pseudo objective crowd
« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2013, 08:12:54 PM »
The thing is, measurements here do not match Rin's measurements.
It's possible that either UE silently changed the UERM or he got a defective model.
We need more UERMs measured.
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Re: TF10 = UERM?; A case against the pseudo objective crowd
« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2013, 08:39:12 PM »
We have two.  Mine and purrin's are a bit different.  A lot of pirates have them locally as well.
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Re: TF10 = UERM?; A case against the pseudo objective crowd
« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2013, 08:47:58 PM »
I'll post both UERM measurements I have. They are slightly different with Anax's being slightly brighter. (His are universals)
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Re: TF10 = UERM?; A case against the pseudo objective crowd
« Reply #45 on: July 18, 2013, 09:12:03 PM »
Well, they are customs w/ universal sleeves.  So not demos or anything.
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Re: TF10 = UERM?; A case against the pseudo objective crowd
« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2013, 09:15:40 PM »
Quote from: AstralStorm on July 18, 2013, 08:12:54 PM
The thing is, measurements here do not match Rin's measurements.
It's possible that either UE silently changed the UERM or he got a defective model.
We need more UERMs measured.

Rin actually measured both, the custom and universal UERM version. The results differ quite a bit and he told me he'd tune the TFRM in between.

Edit: Subjectively, I don't hear a significant difference between the universal and customs version. But both sound way better than the TF10 to my ears.
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Re: TF10 = UERM?; A case against the pseudo objective crowd
« Reply #47 on: July 19, 2013, 06:08:17 AM »
Oh right, could you please post the uncompensated data too? As in compensated for the microphone only.
That'd be useful for comparison purposes, as Rin was twiddling with the compensation recently.
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Re: TF10 = UERM?; A case against the pseudo objective crowd
« Reply #48 on: July 19, 2013, 06:09:22 AM »
Will do. It's also my intention to provide raw data going forward.
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Re: TF10 = UERM?; A case against the pseudo objective crowd
« Reply #49 on: July 26, 2013, 04:33:36 PM »
    Quote from: Analixus on June 15, 2013, 02:09:07 AM

    • Helios:just based on the pics, the larger, dual-BA in the TF10 is likely a Knowles DTEC. The smaller TF10 driver looks like an ED. I do know that the UE900 uses a DTEC + TWFK...a total of 4 drivers. So the UE900 is definitely not a rebadged TF10. Don't know what's in a UERM...got any photos of the raw driver assembly not obscured by the acrylic earpiece?

    TF10 = Sonion 3300 Red damper + Sonion 2300 Green damper and crossover to match them. UE is big enough to get drivers designed as per their specification to match the impedance and other characteristics.

    UERM = Knowles CI + Sonion 2300 + Sonion 2300. Again might be manufactured to UE specific characteristics. Apart from crossover , sound tube diameter, length, filter placement will all affect fr and phase.

    So it would be interesting to see how close TF10 can be tuned to UERM without making too big changes.
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