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Maxvla

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Re: Mytek Stereo192-DSD DAC Review and Un-Appreciation Thread
« Reply #50 on: March 22, 2013, 11:27:26 PM »

Changstar approved doesn't really mean anything. Don't blindly follow anything, even, or perhaps especially, us. Buying stuff we like will generally get you a good sound, but there is a good chance you will never find what works perfectly for you by doing so.

That said, if you are intent on a Gungnir, I have one for sale (no USB). Haven't listed it yet as I need a DAC until the X-Sabre gets back, but that will be here again next week.
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Re: Mytek Stereo192-DSD DAC Review and Un-Appreciation Thread
« Reply #51 on: March 22, 2013, 11:42:41 PM »

I will agree with Luis about the X-Sabre tending towards thin. I think this could be a function of the wider sound Purrin describes above. I actually like it being a bit thin as it gives that space between to truly isolate sounds instead of them being slightly fat on most systems making the sounds blend together somewhat.

There's an element of truth to that - more precise imaging.
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Re: Mytek Stereo192-DSD DAC Review and Un-Appreciation Thread
« Reply #52 on: March 23, 2013, 12:12:30 AM »

Changstar approved doesn't really mean anything. Don't blindly follow anything, even, or perhaps especially, us. Buying stuff we like will generally get you a good sound, but there is a good chance you will never find what works perfectly for you by doing so.


Yea I get that, I must admit I was being a touch facetious with that comment.  Maybe "changstar reviewed" would be more apt.  What I will say is that when I see a detailed review that mentions the limitations and weaknesses of gear I can see that some real critical thought went into that conclusion.  I may not agree with that conclusion (which I won't know unless I try it), I am just more confident that I will be able to make an informed decision as a consumer when I hear both sides of the story.  I have read a lot of DAC and amp reviews, and 90% are positive.  This isn't particularly useful when there are 10 other people saying the same thing about something else.  When there is dissenting opinion, it is never detailed enough for me to get a real understanding of why that person didn't like it.

Anyway, sorry to derail this thread, please continue.
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Re: Mytek Stereo192-DSD DAC Review and Un-Appreciation Thread
« Reply #53 on: March 23, 2013, 04:23:50 AM »

What ???  A Sabre based DAC that does'nt reach the exalted title of "a Sabre based DAC" you guys must be "Goldened Earred Challenged". I would think an emergency appointment to the nearest Audiologist's office is in order.

What was that expression that enjoyed a limited "shelf life" ?    Oh yeah !

"Not".   ( You guys are pretty entertaining , so far... But I think I'll participate as an interested bystander for a while ) (maybe;  how's that for conviction ?)
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Re: Mytek Stereo192-DSD DAC Review and Un-Appreciation Thread
« Reply #54 on: March 23, 2013, 04:31:25 AM »

There's nothing about "Sabre based" that necessarily implies anything good. It's not some sort of magic pill. From what I've read from designers it's quite the opposite, a real bastard that can produce good results in the right hands.

PS opted not to deal with it and went for the WM8741 instead, and though I humbly suggested he use Analog Devices DACs, Dusty from CIAudio opted for BB instead, we'll see what happens there.
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Re: Mytek Stereo192-DSD DAC Review and Un-Appreciation Thread
« Reply #55 on: March 23, 2013, 04:51:37 AM »

Sorry. I don't remember what's all there. The paragraph above was put together by my great friend, MisterRogers. He is helping me build and pimp out my B3.

That sounds awesome.  I wasn't being serious so no worries.  Enough detail has been xzibited.
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Re: Mytek Stereo192-DSD DAC Review and Un-Appreciation Thread
« Reply #56 on: March 25, 2013, 05:06:40 AM »

I'd be very interested to see how the 9018-based DAC in the Oppo 105 stacks up vs. those listed here.
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Re: Mytek Stereo192-DSD DAC Review and Un-Appreciation Thread
« Reply #57 on: March 25, 2013, 02:48:11 PM »

There's nothing about "Sabre based" that necessarily implies anything good. It's not some sort of magic pill. From what I've read from designers it's quite the opposite, a real bastard that can produce good results in the right hands.

PS opted not to deal with it and went for the WM8741 instead, and though I humbly suggested he use Analog Devices DACs, Dusty from CIAudio opted for BB instead, we'll see what happens there.

Implement the ES9018 wrong and you will get the very definition of "digititus"- sharp highs, inaccurate timbre. I might build one someday with a tube output stage.
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Re: Mytek Stereo192-DSD DAC Review and Un-Appreciation Thread
« Reply #58 on: March 27, 2013, 03:52:56 AM »

Hello All

and

Distinguished Authors

My name is Michal Jurewicz and I have designed Mytek Stereo192DSD-DAC.

I came across this thread through Google search and was greatly surprised by the tone and force of relatively vague statements, (including a curious title of the thread itself). Thread wants to be a "review".

With all due respect and benefit of the doubt, if what's written in the thread and the Test Table  are true statements, my conclusion is that:

1) The DAC unit you have is broken
2) It was used improperly  - (plugged wrong, improperly used with computers etc)
3) There is some extreme euphonic skew of your monitoring system

Mytek DSD DAC was A/B ed with numerous multi $K audiophile DACs and has always come out shining. Your findings do not add up with what we and our users know about this DAC.

There is not enough  detail about setup or methodology or your perception for that matter, to really make an educated guess what the problem really was, with exception that your impression is completely opposite to 2000+ owners of this DAC who are loving it and raving about sound, particularly fidelity. There is also another 10+ extremely positive reviews and our DAC can be heard in many rooms at any given audiophile show in US. You could imagine if DAC was as crappy as you mention, Sony would not necessarily dare to use it as their main DSD DAC to demonstrate their new $20K AR2 speakers at  Hi Fi Shows in US in 2012 and 2013.

I wish you called us before testing or before posting , we could help you both with tests and to sort out these unusual results.

What is the serial # of this DAC and how was it acquired?

Maybe I can assist you in repair/ replacement?

It would be great to start a dialogue.

Best Regards, Michal at Mytek New York 347 384 2687   highend aaatttt mytekdigital.com



 (( 
The Good:
Micro-meet was fun! Many thanks to Purrin for hosting a lovely, intimate evening. After a long day at the office, it's a treat to kick back with a great drink in hand and share some good music with great friends.

Purrin's DIY speakers sound better to me tonight than ever before. VERY nice, natural sound. I was truly enjoying the sound...that is...until...the BAD

The BAD:

DAMN YOU MYTEK!!!! What a piece of crap! It's a shame I didn't cotton to put in my ears. Literally had me cringing two seconds in. Anax and Purrin gave it more of a chance which resulted in me being tortured to more of an extent than I would have liked. Treble peak and grain galore! Ruined the sound and overall presentation of what would otherwise be great music. The HD-700 of the DAC world.

'Nuff said.

Mytek Stereo192-DSD DAC Review (only partially complete for specified reasons.)

https://docs.google.com/a/changstar.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArbLaKZd_-FsdGpvaWxoV2NtaEZYaWQ1ZHZsWkZtWUE#gid=0

Part of the same series of DAC comparisons:
  • PWD2 (rev1 upgraded)
  • Schiit Gungir
  • Mytek Stereo192-DSD
  • Matrix X-Sabre
BTW, had a micro-meet tonight were LFF and Anaxilus were inv ited. All four DACs were heard on my current speaker setup. The Mytek was plugged in and left on for two days before this event.
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Re: Mytek Stereo192-DSD DAC Review and Un-Appreciation Thread
« Reply #59 on: March 27, 2013, 04:33:59 AM »


 Hello All
 
 and
 
 Distinguished Authors
 
 My name is Michal Jurewicz and I have designed Mytek Stereo192DSD-DAC.
 
 I came across this thread through Google search and was greatly surprised by the tone and force of relatively vague statements, (including a curious title of the thread itself). Thread wants to be a "review".
 
 With all due respect and benefit of the doubt, if what's written in the thread and the Test Table  are true statements, my conclusion is that:
 
 1) The DAC unit you have is broken
 2) It was used improperly  - (plugged wrong, improperly used with computers etc)
 3) There is some extreme euphonic skew of your monitoring system
 
 Mytek DSD DAC was A/B ed with numerous multi $K audiophile DACs and has always come out shining. Your findings do not add up with what we and our users know about this DAC.
 
 There is not enough  detail about setup or methodology or your perception for that matter, to really make an educated guess what the problem really was, with exception that your impression is completely opposite to 2000+ owners of this DAC who are loving it and raving about sound, particularly fidelity. There is also another 10+ extremely positive reviews and our DAC can be heard in many rooms at any given audiophile show in US. You could imagine if DAC was as crappy as you mention, Sony would not necessarily dare to use it as their main DSD DAC to demonstrate their new $20K AR2 speakers at  Hi Fi Shows in US in 2012 and 2013.
 
 I wish you called us before testing or before posting , we could help you both with tests and to sort out these unusual results.
 
 What is the serial # of this DAC and how was it acquired?
 
 Maybe I can assist you in repair/ replacement?
 
 It would be great to start a dialogue.
 
 Best Regards, Michal at Mytek New York 347 384 2687   highend aaatttt mytekdigital.com


Hi Michal!
Allow me to be the first to welcome you to our rambunctious forum.
Now...with all due respect, allow me to address your points one at a time...
1) The DAC unit you have is broken
Perhaps. Judging for the horrible treble peaks I was hearing, it is a great possibility that the unit might have been broken. I think all of us were surprised (and a bit in pain) to hear your DAC.

 2) It was used improperly  - (plugged wrong, improperly used with computers etc)

No. The DAC doesn't look like a VCR or a toaster. It's a simple looking DAC. Anax is a college student...one of the brightest I have ever met. Purrin has some background in theoretical physics and electrical engineering and is a computer science engineer. I went to law school and have over 13 years experience in audio engineering. If the three of us were una ble to use a simple DAC, then one of three things...
            1) We are idiots.  :-Z
            2) Your DAC is overly complicated and should come with a warning!  :boom:
            3) It was used properly but might be defective.  :vomit:
Based on all the evidence, I believe the most likely choice would be number 3. If it were number 1, then  we would have written a most positive review over on head-fi. If it were number 2, how the hell did we get sound out of it?!


 3) There is some extreme euphonic skew of your monitoring system

Again, based on the fact that Purrin has had many discoveries confirmed by the community at large and even independent university studies...well...let's say the DAC might be broken.

There is not enough  detail about setup or methodology or your perception for that matter....Sony would not necessarily dare to use it as their main DSD DAC to demonstrate their new $20K AR2 speakers at  Hi Fi Shows in US in 2012 and 2013.
Last I know, we aren't supposed to be accountable to anyone except our members here and our close friends. We post honest opinions here. That's our only agenda here.

I went to many Hi Fi Shows in 2012 and 2013. This might explain why I didn't like a lot of rooms...including the Sony room. Perhaps they had a broken DAC too. Also, many of us don't believe that price is a good indication of quality. How much is your DAC again?

Anyway, I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt and think the few times I have heard your DAC, it might have been broken.
Unfortunately or fortunately, the DAC is not mine so I am unable to send it to you for proper testing. If the member who lent it to us would like to come forward and send it to you for proper verification, then please do so. We would gladly give it a second chance.

Once again, thanks for posting about your DAC. It takes a certain amount of cojones to post in a review thread like this so for that I give you props. There is nothing we like more than to see companies come out with good sounding products. We hope your company does so in the future. Best of luck and welcome!
 :)
 
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