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Re: Mytek Stereo 192-DSD DAC Review - Impressions
« Reply #110 on: April 14, 2013, 02:23:09 PM »


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Did you try the Mytek with poorly recorded material?  It's important for me to have a DAC that doesn't make poorly recorded material worse.

IMO, the Mytek is pretty neutral. Good recordings sound good, bad ones sound bad.
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Re: Mytek Stereo 192-DSD DAC Review - Impressions
« Reply #111 on: April 14, 2013, 02:33:31 PM »

Just as an aside related to CEE TEE's question:

There's a subtle distinction there between "bad" versus "worse." Something I think impressions conflate these things a bit.

For instance, I find that while transparent gear lets all the gory details through, it doesn't usually make recordings sound worse. It's actually more colored gear---ie. stuff with tons of treble emphasis---than does this. It's just the other side of the coin to colorations that mask poor recordings by smoothing them over. Neither is natural to my ears.

Granted if one is used to having everything smoothed over, switching to something more honest can make recordings sound worse in a relative sense (worse than one's former baseline). However I think audiophiles tend to get a little carried away in their insistence that the best gear will make everything sound like shit or that you can only listen to certain mid-centric genres (and not popular music) on the best gear.
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Re: Mytek Stereo 192-DSD DAC Review - Impressions
« Reply #112 on: April 14, 2013, 05:03:32 PM »

While I maintain the practice of using marginal (never bad) recordings to test systems, particularly speaker neutrality - it didn't really matter in the case of Mytek DAC. Even with some of the best masters I had playing at extremely soft volumes (40db with 50db peaks), the Mytek still exhibited treble glare which built up over time to make it difficult to listen too. None of the other DACs exhibited this behavior to such an extent.

None of the other DACs in the comparison were of a forgiving nature either. Bad recordings still sounded bad on the X-Sabre, Invicta, PWD2, Gungnir. DACs which gloss over bad recordings or commit serious sins of omission would be considered shit by us.

It's definitely possible this unit may have been defective. After all, you never know about stuff which is being dumped on the 'gon. I will look into the DAC again when I get a chance which wouldn't be anytime soon. Unfortunately, both this unit and another unit owned by CS member (who would be willing to lend it to me) have been sold.

I am curious though, what other DACs have you heard which you would consider on the same playing field of the Mytek? Or what other DACs have you heard which you would consider similar sounding to the Mytek? I've always felt that DACs can a very personal thing very dependent upon a person's preferences.
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Re: Mytek Stereo 192-DSD DAC Review - Impressions
« Reply #113 on: April 15, 2013, 12:03:53 AM »


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Did you try the Mytek with poorly recorded material?  It's important for me to have a DAC that doesn't make poorly recorded material worse.

IMO, the Mytek is pretty neutral. Good recordings sound good, bad ones sound bad.

Excellent recordings sound ok. Good recordings (ones I am intimately familiar with) sound mediocre. Bad recordings...sound horrible.
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Re: Mytek Stereo 192-DSD DAC Review - Impressions
« Reply #114 on: August 19, 2013, 04:18:29 PM »

I know this is old news but I came across this and wanted to add my 2 cents.

I have objectivist leanings and am a fan of the waterfall plots on this site.  I recently bought a mytek based on the feature set (analogue volume control, headphone out, sabre 9018, and professional pedigree.)   I like the way it sounds - i have not sampled very high end dacs (i'm limited to HRT, musical fidelity and entry level w4s) 

I have it going into Focal CMS 40 and headphone out direct in to Senn HD650

Perhaps I should sample the Schitt unit.

However, what I am wondering is shouldn't these defects in the DAC be/have been measurable?   Wouldn't treble glare show up in a frequency response test?
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Re: Mytek Stereo 192-DSD DAC Review - Impressions
« Reply #115 on: August 19, 2013, 05:07:22 PM »

Nope - none of that stuff shows in measurements that we current have. Many of us like to see measurements as additional evidence and confirmation of what we hear (not the way around: measurements dictate to us our subjective experience.) But the current set of measurements (FR, CSD, HD, etc.) don't show significant changes at the transducer level with different DACs, amps, tubes, etc. which may sound different.

The darkish/laid back HD650 (and Focal CMS 40, if the monitor follows Focal's house sound) may actually be a good match with the Mytek DSD.
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Re: Mytek Stereo 192-DSD DAC Review - Impressions
« Reply #116 on: August 19, 2013, 05:36:05 PM »

However, what I am wondering is shouldn't these defects in the DAC be/have been measurable?  Wouldn't treble glare show up in a frequency response test?

Nope.  You can do the same w/ tube amps and swap bright or dark tubes that can be double blinded consistently and the FR will measure the same.  That was one of the core principles of starting this site, correlating subjective w/ objective data by looking beyond FR.  An analogy in the car world is when people talk about which car feels quicker on their butt dyno so people start comparing dyno charts and peak horsepower.  The problem is dynos don't measure throttle response and gear ratios.

So while FR is important, it's also important to not get distracted by one single metric and jump to absolutes based on assumptions.  That's when objectivity stops being objective for some people and becomes religious and faith based.
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Re: Mytek Stereo 192-DSD DAC Review - Impressions
« Reply #117 on: August 19, 2013, 07:27:40 PM »

Again, I do find the CSD charts tremendously useful and appreciate your work here.

I have firewire too - so that supposedly helps.  I did actually have a problem with bypass mode and think that the high output could be an issue in some instances.   

The next frontier of objectivist vs subjectivist for me personally is high rez.

Thanks again guys.   


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Re: Mytek Stereo 192-DSD DAC Review - Impressions
« Reply #118 on: August 19, 2013, 09:02:14 PM »

yeah, folks have mentioned lowering the high gain and using FW to solve the glare issue.


On high rez, there is a bunch of stuff already discussed here. Just need to search for it. It turns out some providers of high-rez material don't actually provide high-rez.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2013, 09:11:19 PM by purrin »
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