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Author Topic: JPS Labs Abyss Headphone Impressions - The Real Deal Hands On Experience  (Read 32732 times)

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shipsupt

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I could honestly care less about looks, hell I own the Float!  But I certainly don't have that gap over my big noggin!  Respect for not making it cosmetically good and not big enough for fat heads.  When I wear the 007 my head is basically touching the arcs.

Where did those models come from, perhaps:



As guru has noted above, this is the key to the Abyss. You can tune most any ortho to have a reasonably flat frequency response, but to get it right without any real damping - that is a manufacturing challenge. The TOTL stats do this , but you need a stat rig to enjoy them and I am with purrin that I am not a fan of the "ethereal" stax sound.

I know people are making a fuss about the looks, truth is the SR009 looks like a POS when sitting on someones head - it has that funky spring arc that sticks up 10 cm above your head


and good looks don't make it look any better


I absolutely don't care about the rugged industrial look, in fact I think they look quite rugged and industrial . I like it and the fact that they are comfortable and sound spectacular is the real kicker

price - having seen what it takes for Alex to get his amps to production, I can see many hidden manufacturing costs in the Abyss. I have a hard time justifying costs in audio as it is , but when I look at some of the craziness that we accept in the stereo world, paying $5K for a high end transducer seems far less crazy than paying $100K for the equivalent in a speaker. Even if we do not go to the extremes, take the $200 pioneer speakers which rocked the stereo world with their fidelity, does this mean that manufacturers such as sonus faber should rethink their product and not sell monitors for $15K. I am not trying to justify things for JPS BUT I can see where some of the costs come in ( without the whining and misguided assumption that they are trying to pay for expensive tooling required for the manufacture of the headphones) Most people drop $500 - $1000 on aftermarket cabling. Joe being a cable guy made what he considers the best cable suited to his headphone as part of the boutique accessory package. Many may ask why do they need a customized leather carry satchel , a complement of cable adapters and a headphone stand as part of the deal. If these were not included could the cost have been dropped by $1500 ? If I am reading into the idea behind the Abyss, you are buying the ultimate headphone package , "just add an amp" deal. I also think the package is seriously cool. Far more lust worthy than the stax briefcase of the SR007 series. Why did JPS not farm out the CNC work to another fabrication house - well they did initially and after suffering the seriously defunct manufacturing chain , they decided to do it in house . This was after RMAF ( when the price had already been announced, so not a factor in cost of the headphones at all ).

enough rambling , looking forward to more impressions. To my ears, music has never sounded more "real" , the LAu synergy is probably part of this experience.

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Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Okay, the real deal, hands-on impression of the Abyss, heard at the LA meet on our Mjolnir: Holy Schiit!

No, really, these are very, very good headphones. We went back and forth between the Abyss and a bunch of other TOTL orthos and conventional designs. Bottom line: the Abyss is not BS. It is very dynamic, alive, vibrant, and natural-sounding headphone. It clearly deserves to be included amongst the best of the best. In some ways, it is the headphone I'd choose over all of them.

However (you knew this was coming, right), I'll stand on my marketing and design comments. Especially after seeing how the Abyss will not fit people with smaller heads, at all (Rina basically had to hold them on her head.) And, in person, you don't immediately think, "5.5K" when you see them--not in styling, not in detailing, not in fit and finish.
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I'm not sure I'd be able to adjust them to be narrow enough, either.  Not the first time a headphone has had this problem. 

Other than that, everything seemed high quality and I'd be interested in spending extended time with a pair.
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c/p:

I only really listened to the Abyss (wanted to hear the KingSounds but they were stuck in customs).  They looked worse in person than in pictures, especially while adjusting the pivot on top.  Fit was unsettling but not painful.  I listened through the DNA Stratus and CA LAu.  This headphone seemed like it had extremes in strengths/weaknesses.  The bass was great, and the soundstage was really big.  They were quite detailed for an ortho I think.  The imaging was a little strange to me - diffuse for sure, but hard panned sounds were very distracting, perhaps due to the depth of the earpads.  Mids sounded a bit off at times, but I'm not sure how to describe it.  Purrin asked me if I meant 'hollow' and I guess that kinda describes it.  Unfortunately the treble was a mess.  The bass was high end, the mids were mid fi, and the treble was low-fi.
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Not sure if that was a shot at me

nope

regarding fit  - I am surprised people with small heads have trouble. I do have a small head and often have trouble. The HE6 do not fit regardless of what I have tried. The SR009 barely fits - hangs on the top on my ears , The Abyss just fits but it does so comfortably.

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Yeah, I've got a small head and find a lot of headphones uncomfortable / too big. The Abyss actually fits me really well. Maybe my ears just stick out or something.

In either case it's nice to see more impressions for these. Seems they're quite polarizing, which is to be expected I guess. The Abyss just pushes enough of the right buttons for me while avoiding pushing the wrong ones to make it one of the most "complete" packages for me holistically. I find other headphones I've listened to over the years do certain things better, but the Abyss just hits the 'right' combination for me: that FR balance with that sense of presence and that level of detail, layering, and speed. For me the issues aren't anywhere near big enough of a deal to spoil that, thankfully. Obviously other folks will have different levels of sensitivity to these things.
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I totally understand where n3rdling is coming from. In a weird way, I don't disagree with him and I don't think what he said is inconsistent with what I've said about the Abyss. He doesn't use many words, but I've known him for a while. It's one of those things.
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I suppose my issue boils down to: Why are we letting the market bear this?

It is because there is a market.

EDIT: schiit's marketing messages are right too.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2013, 04:07:17 AM by grev »
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I just came across a "blog and only that… not a full-on Hi-Fi+ product review" from Chris Martens on these headphones, and a few things jumped out at me that made me go back and (re-)read this thread/ Tyll's review.

CM:
  • "One might argue, in fact that the Stax may be, by a hair, just slightly quicker (in terms of transient speed)"
  • "However, the Stax cannot, I think, equal the Abyss in terms of sheer accuracy of tonal balance"
http://www.hifiplus.com/articles/first-listen-abyss-ab-1266-planar-magnetic-headphones/

Tyll's review:
  • "the SR-009 sounded a bit sterile and amazingly not as fast as the AB-1266."
  • "The other two (HD 800 and SR-009) had a more neutral response to my ears"
Everyone seems to agree on the detail retrieval and bass aspects of the Abyss, and the overall impressions are very favorable.  So, are the other discrepancies about speed and tonal balance due to personal preference, fit, source gear, product variation, or what?  I would guess the BHSE that Tyll used was at least as good as whatever Martens was using in terms of speed.  FWIW, I find my tastes and trust lie closer to Tyll's- I'm not so sure about CM's.
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Keep in mind Tyll's Abyss was fubar. He stated that they did not sound the same as the one Don and I heard, and I suspect his pair did not sound like Muppet's either. I've noted Tyll's preference is likely a bit toward the brighter side than mine. (I can't stand the HD800 in stock form, no matter the cable.) We both appreciate headphones without peaks or nulls, but my ideal FR probably has a more of slope downward.

In terms of transient response in comparison to the 009. It's hard to compare directly. Both headphones are very agile but how they start and stop are very different. The STAX seem to have a gentler start and then come up to lightning fast speed with a gentler stop. The AB-1266 is sort of like a four wheel drive launch and a sudden F1 carbon fiber brake stop.

I feel the overall tonal balance of the Abyss is closer to my reference (the EQ'd speakers), but with the slight upper mid depression and slight treble ringing at 9k. The overall balance of the 009 is a tad too tipped up compared to my reference. The lack of sub to low bass impact of the 009 exacerbates this perception.
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