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Re: JPS Labs Abyss Headphone Impressions - The Real Deal Hands On Experience
« Reply #110 on: October 07, 2013, 05:04:14 PM »

I'll admit I'm inexperienced with Audeze. Look at my profile and I only have a LCD2 (which I hardly listen to), that I mostly drive with the Pan AM and Violectric V200/V800 combo at home, so to my ears, the LCD3 + Studio Six was a slight step-up from the Audeze sound I usually get. Then again, I did mention that I'm not a big fan of Audeze's house sound (mids are overly lush, coupled with the already lush deep house I listen to, kinda makes it sound veiled, almost fake sometimes). Maybe it's because I find Audeze LCDs extremely uncomfortable (even with the Vegan optionals), so my impressions might be masked by the (dis)comfort factor.

I could only post impressions of what I tried at the same time as the Abyss at the same place. I recall seeing a Stratus there, but can't recall what can it was attached to. As for DAC, most of the time at the meet-up, I mostly dragged about a Lawry or Mytek with my MBP, employing their DAC only and bypassing whatever internal amp they had (if any). I tried to keep the DACs constant, using the same source quality for all the headphone/amp combos I got to try. Obviously I was familiar with some combos more than others, which is why I mentioned bias, since I understand that some combos just synergize better than others. Again, I could only use what was available at the meet - a gathering of friends, not some big-time convention - and what was not being used by others. Tried to derive my impressions as fair as I could, considering the limitations.

Like I said, just a common bloke's point of view. A common bloke who loves headphones, but still a common bloke compared to most posters here. I can only like what I like, and I loved the Abyss, just not as much as it's street price suggests, and not as much as some other combos.

Edit: For what it's worth, I also got to experience an Audeze LCD3 with another Cavalli amp. Think it might have been a Liquid Glass (had a pair of tubes in the middle). Sounded good, but the Studio Six combo was a bit more entertaining to my ears. No idea how "stock" the combo was though, or whether there was any extensive tube-rolling involved prior, but it was highly euphonic. HAd a very personal and deep soundstage about it, which I tend to prefer over wide soundstages which I often find too aloof for my tastes.
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Re: JPS Labs Abyss Headphone Impressions - The Real Deal Hands On Experience
« Reply #111 on: October 07, 2013, 05:51:23 PM »

I think you would be surprised how many people here like the TH-900, despite it's "fun" FR.
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Re: JPS Labs Abyss Headphone Impressions - The Real Deal Hands On Experience
« Reply #112 on: October 07, 2013, 07:57:07 PM »

The TH900 is generally well regarded 'round here for the most part. I certainly enjoyed mine with the Zana Deux SE, and I felt it was something of a party animal while maintaining enough sobering clarity to drive home at the end of the night. To a large degree the bass was free of bad distortion, so it sounded fairly clean despite being pretty massive in scale, and it resulted (to my ears at least) in a bass response that wasn't as overwhelming as the measurements might imply. Overall I felt the TH900 had an organic and lively quality as well, a certain "vitalism" that made it sound sweet and rich but also natural and energetic at the same time. This I [perhaps erroneously] attribute to the biocellulose drivers, and I find the Sony R10 exhibits similar qualities to varying degrees as well.

Over time however, the flaws of the TH900 grated on me more and more. The edginess of the highs started to creep up during longer sessions, though the bottom end fullness helped to kind of counterbalance this for me to an extent. Unfortunately the slight sucked-out quality of the midrange left the extremities a bit more grating to me than if there was something fuller there in between. I still feel the TH900 is a great headphone with its own particular charms, but I ended up selling mine off because I wanted to downsize.

Personally I find the bass response of the Abyss trounces that of the TH900 and just about any other headphone out there. As far as resolution goes, I don't think the SR-009 outclasses the Abyss. The HD800 however is another story; I think the Senns are still the way to go if you prioritize resolution above all else, provided you have the right amp behind them. I still think the SR-009 is uncanny in its ability to "get out of the way" and just sort of slip into the background, though in general I tend to feel it's pretty overrated in our hobby. The SR-007 comes pretty close to matching it performance-wise when powered properly, and it does so without the treble emphasis. I think maybe it's that emphasis (on the SR-009) makes details stand out to people more though. Honestly, I think headphones like the SR-009 have a sort of "wow me at a meet" honeymoon effect on a lot of folks.
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Re: JPS Labs Abyss Headphone Impressions - The Real Deal Hands On Experience
« Reply #113 on: October 07, 2013, 09:26:33 PM »

For many of us this is the story of so much gear we go through, right?  We fall in love with something about it, knowing full well that this or that is not quite right.  In the early days of our love affair we look past that little thing.  This may last a while.  But as time goes on we find the little thing starting to stand out, to grind away at our audio soul, until we decide it's time to move along. 

Those euphonic tube amps that seduce us with the lush easy going presentation.  In the right mood they make us melt.  After time we start to think they are muddy and lack detail.  Many never tame the HD-800 treble peak, and it eventually leaves an owner thinking they are etched or edgy.  Those thin, bright electrostatics sounded so detailed you couldn't get enough, until you had way to much of it!  That powerful SS amp that has a little kick down low, boom boom, until you feel like you've got a disco in your head.

For many of us, that's the stuff that get's relegated to now and again service because we just can't live with it full time.  Or goes out the door so we can seek something closer to, well, neutral?  I'm not sure it's a clean cut as that, but when stuff has too much color that takes it too far from it, I think it's only a matter of time. 

Marv called me out on this when I had the ZDSE... and he was right. 

Anyway, just sort of rambling while I'm stuck in an airport...

Over time however, the flaws of the TH900 grated on me more and more. The edginess of the highs started to creep up during longer sessions, though the bottom end fullness helped to kind of counterbalance this for me to an extent. Unfortunately the slight sucked-out quality of the midrange left the extremities a bit more grating to me than if there was something fuller there in between. I still feel the TH900 is a great headphone with its own particular charms, but I ended up selling mine off because I wanted to downsize.

Honestly, I think headphones like the SR-009 have a sort of "wow me at a meet" honeymoon effect on a lot of folks.
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Re: JPS Labs Abyss Headphone Impressions - The Real Deal Hands On Experience
« Reply #114 on: October 07, 2013, 09:37:41 PM »

I thought the LCD3 was a good match with the Studio Six, although I didn't feel it was a top-tier amp in an absolute sense. The ALO seemed to counter the LCD3's thickness a bit.
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Re: JPS Labs Abyss Headphone Impressions - The Real Deal Hands On Experience
« Reply #115 on: October 07, 2013, 10:56:24 PM »

For many of us this is the story of so much gear we go through, right?  We fall in love with something about it, knowing full well that this or that is not quite right.  In the early days of our love affair we look past that little thing.  This may last a while.  But as time goes on we find the little thing starting to stand out, to grind away at our audio soul, until we decide it's time to move along. 

Those euphonic tube amps that seduce us with the lush easy going presentation.  In the right mood they make us melt.  After time we start to think they are muddy and lack detail.  Many never tame the HD-800 treble peak, and it eventually leaves an owner thinking they are etched or edgy.  Those thin, bright electrostatics sounded so detailed you couldn't get enough, until you had way to much of it!  That powerful SS amp that has a little kick down low, boom boom, until you feel like you've got a disco in your head.

For many of us, that's the stuff that get's relegated to now and again service because we just can't live with it full time.  Or goes out the door so we can seek something closer to, well, neutral?  I'm not sure it's a clean cut as that, but when stuff has too much color that takes it too far from it, I think it's only a matter of time. 

Marv called me out on this when I had the ZDSE... and he was right. 

Anyway, just sort of rambling while I'm stuck in an airport...

Over time however, the flaws of the TH900 grated on me more and more. The edginess of the highs started to creep up during longer sessions, though the bottom end fullness helped to kind of counterbalance this for me to an extent. Unfortunately the slight sucked-out quality of the midrange left the extremities a bit more grating to me than if there was something fuller there in between. I still feel the TH900 is a great headphone with its own particular charms, but I ended up selling mine off because I wanted to downsize.

Honestly, I think headphones like the SR-009 have a sort of "wow me at a meet" honeymoon effect on a lot of folks.

And I'm guessing the real conclusions to such stories is that everyone just end up with their HD650s?  :)p8
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Re: JPS Labs Abyss Headphone Impressions - The Real Deal Hands On Experience
« Reply #116 on: October 07, 2013, 11:08:55 PM »

that was beautiful. a very charming love story.
and not a happy ending. author must be european.

but I relate! the journey has been fun though.
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Re: JPS Labs Abyss Headphone Impressions - The Real Deal Hands On Experience
« Reply #117 on: October 08, 2013, 01:31:52 PM »



And I'm guessing the real conclusions to such stories is that everyone just end up with their HD650s?  :)p8
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Dunno, haven't heard 'em yet...  ;)
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Re: JPS Labs Abyss Headphone Impressions - The Real Deal Hands On Experience
« Reply #118 on: October 08, 2013, 02:34:25 PM »



And I'm guessing the real conclusions to such stories is that everyone just end up with their HD650s?  :)p8

Dunno, haven't heard 'em yet...  ;)
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Personally I still prefer my modded Ksc75s to the HD650, the latter just sounds way too forward even with its recessed mid-treble.
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Re: JPS Labs Abyss Headphone Impressions - The Real Deal Hands On Experience
« Reply #119 on: October 08, 2013, 05:30:31 PM »

this thread has made me think that everything I own is a mistake. Anyone want a ZDSE + TH900s? A Dynahi + HD800s?
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