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Why do headphones lack damping?
« on: April 28, 2013, 11:27:00 PM »

Hey,

It seems that every other headphone/IEM I've tried has lackluster or altogether no cup/shell damping. Why is that so?
Is it too hard to do or too expensive? (Not that a bit of cotton or wool is expensive really...)

(Doesn't apply to fully open ones, usually. But still can happen, e.g. HD800.)

The most egregious cases are for example Beyerdynamic Tesla series (most use lackluster foam circle as damping) and Fostex T50RP (none at all) perhaps.
Almost all IEMs don't have damping, but there it's not as critical, because resonant cavity is small.

Not to mention lack of earpad damping where applicable...
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Re: Why do headphones lack damping?
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2013, 12:17:50 AM »

Because then headphone wouldn't be as resonanty/ear-piercing/energetic/exciting sounding.  Nothing's worse than an overly dull resonant free headphone.
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Re: Why do headphones lack damping?
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2013, 01:23:33 AM »

I can't tell you how many times I've mentioned this to headphone makers.

Every speaker in the world has damping, why don't headphones?

Stupid.
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Re: Why do headphones lack damping?
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2013, 02:01:39 AM »

Waterfall speakers:







I assume they damp the driver itself - otherwise this is just one of the dumbest designs I've ever seen.

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Re: Why do headphones lack damping?
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2013, 03:13:49 AM »

Probably sound better without those big black round things getting in the way.
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Re: Why do headphones lack damping?
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2013, 05:29:56 AM »

Waterfall speakers:






I assume they damp the driver itself - otherwise this is just one of the dumbest designs I've ever seen.

They had these at the recent NY Audio Show.  The guys in their room said that the drivers were enclosed or damped in some way directly behind them, but I thought the whole design did not make any sense.  They made some absurd sounding justification for using glass, and not needing any damping material.  I did not think they sounded very good at all, could have been the recording, but somehow I doubt it.  It is fascinating that people pay what these speakers cost for how they sound.
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Re: Why do headphones lack damping?
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2013, 05:39:26 AM »

Hey,

It seems that every other headphone/IEM I've tried has lackluster or altogether no cup/shell damping. Why is that so?
Is it too hard to do or too expensive? (Not that a bit of cotton or wool is expensive really...)

(Doesn't apply to fully open ones, usually. But still can happen, e.g. HD800.)

The most egregious cases are for example Beyerdynamic Tesla series (most use lackluster foam circle as damping) and Fostex T50RP (none at all) perhaps.
Almost all IEMs don't have damping, but there it's not as critical, because resonant cavity is small.

Not to mention lack of earpad damping where applicable...

Please school my ignorance: Aren't the very commonly used acoustic filters used in iems a form of dampening? If so, BAs need hell of dampening (that's how the kids are saying it now). The ER4 is very well dampened or filtered or whatever (help).

The SE5 is interesting for having no acoustic filters. I'm sure the silicone shell has some effect.

The MG6Pro is a dynamic without an acoustic filter, but the driver has something going on in the back between it and the venting (dampening in some way) and the special sauce they use to seat the driver and shape the, uh, what do you call the acoustic chamber in the iem? Anyway, the material has some effect on the sound.

The Heir 8.A has a bunch of filtering going on with different ones for bass, mid and treble.
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Re: Why do headphones lack damping?
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2013, 05:50:58 AM »

He's talking damping the housing behind or around the driver based on reflections and resonances/'ringing' as per the sites' modus operandi.  You are talking about acoustic impedance and frequency response shaping which involves a few other aspects apart from the OP's damping question.  If you think of a speaker, what you are referring to is basically using a grill for tuning over the front of the driver.  He is referring to the stuff going on behind it in the cabinet (also the room treatment if we carry the example further).
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Re: Why do headphones lack damping?
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2013, 06:37:09 AM »

He's talking damping the housing behind or around the driver based on reflections and resonances/'ringing' as per the sites' modus operandi.  You are talking about acoustic impedance and frequency response shaping which involves a few other aspects apart from the OP's damping question.  If you think of a speaker, what you are referring to is basically using a grill for tuning over the front of the driver.  He is referring to the stuff going on behind it in the cabinet (also the room treatment if we carry the example further).

Thanks! Much appreciated.

So, what is going on behind the MG6Pro's driver is the iem equivalent, sorta maybe.

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Re: Why do headphones lack damping?
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2013, 11:00:17 AM »

Yep, there are only two IEMs I know of with any damping:
1) FutureSonics Ear Monitors - some "proprietary" material that looks suspiciously close to mineral wool.
2) Vsonic GR07 - with a wimpy foam circle. Apparently works only so-so, because 6.5k resonance remains.
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