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Re: Why do headphones lack damping?
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2013, 03:13:27 PM »

Just about anything that I come across (headphones, mostly) will get something stuffed into them and sound better for it.

Waterfall speakers:

I assume they damp the driver itself - otherwise this is just one of the dumbest designs I've ever seen.

Upon looking them up, I am extremely disappointed that they did not actually have water or some other liquid running down the sides. I was thinking maybe a special viscous fluid was developed for panel damping... or something like that.

Hmm, or maybe a series of platforms inside for a series of continuous waterfalls/curtains. If done right, you can have the water fall without breaking up or making noise. It wouldn't really damp anything (I think), but it'd look cool.
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Re: Why do headphones lack damping?
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2013, 03:18:31 PM »

Know what you mean, I was extremely disappointed when I saw my first pair of Wilsons and they didn't have a bloody handprint for a logo.  And don't even get me started on the first time I saw an Infinity IRS-V and the bitterness I felt upon realizing it was limited in both space and time.
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Re: Why do headphones lack damping?
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2013, 06:00:12 PM »

I'm still waiting for a Klein bottle speaker cabinet.
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Re: Why do headphones lack damping?
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2013, 07:34:04 AM »

I'm still waiting for a Klein bottle speaker cabinet.


I once dated a  moebious stripper who had one.
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Re: Why do headphones lack damping?
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2013, 07:35:30 AM »

I can't tell you how many times I've mentioned this to headphone makers.

Every speaker in the world has damping, why don't headphones?

Stupid.

Ranks up there with the one size fits all ear cushion. Pet peeves.

I actually think this may go way back to the days when everything was eq'd for am radio.
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Re: Why do headphones lack damping?
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2013, 11:40:21 PM »

Exceptions to the rule: vintage AKG, Pioneer Monitor 10, vintage Sennheiser, vintage Beyerdynamic.

It often simply depended on which manufacturer was making a product for who. The HD250 II Linears had dampening and detachable cable. Of course they were made for broadcasting and studio work.
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Re: Why do headphones lack damping?
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2013, 09:33:39 PM »

they still used a form of damping with the baffles cause they were semi open with some type of foam in the outer part of the cups. the drivers too had specially tuned acoustic chambers as well. the pioneer monitor 10's back was made out of leather so it was a form of damping i think besides aesthetic reasons. it also used foam cushion for front of the drivers outside and left the dome alone to allow clear high frequency extension cause i found the monitor 10s probably one of the most neutral sounding closed dynamic headphones personally think and probably has the most extension at both ends compared to a lot of modern headphones that can't reach and usually roll off at.

vintage planers and electrostats used damping as well both mechanically and acoustically. seem the engineers of the professional line for all 3 types of headphones being dynamic,planer, and electrostatic took good deal of their time designing these headphones cause they wanted to be close as possible to like speaker monitoring. most headphones nowadays changed not because tech has but the marketing. it's all about making money always no matter how respected ''that'' company is.

the only way your going to see damping in headphones nowadays is it's either very expensive or it was intensionally put there to try cover up the flaws of the driver itself, not to help it.
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Re: Why do headphones lack damping?
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2013, 10:58:50 PM »

Are there any measurements of before and after adding some damping material in the cups and ideally nothing else modified?

IIRC, IF had an article on some HD800 mod but the changes were small.
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Re: Why do headphones lack damping?
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2013, 11:09:58 PM »

Are there any measurements of before and after adding some damping material in the cups and ideally nothing else modified?

IIRC, IF had an article on some HD800 mod but the changes were small.

i see where you're going with this and i do agree. be interesting to see just to see other side of everything see what is what and so forth. i think though overall it will ''depend'' but i know where you're getting at.
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Re: Why do headphones lack damping?
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2013, 12:28:37 AM »

It really depends on the kind of damping, amount and whether anything important has been changed.
For example, venting might be obscured.
Usually doesn't change inherent frequency response a lot, but does change resonances, as seen in CSDs and sometimes harmonic distortion chart too.

Getting a headphone designed for given response in free field, putting it in a vented, highly dampened enclosure makes for a good closed headphone.

In quite a few IEMs, damping changes ear canal resonances. Medium amounts make it similar to deeper insertion, huge amounts make it similar to open back response. Eardrum compliance will change too due to slight increase in total pressure.
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