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Sansui Receiver - Quick Patch Job
« on: January 15, 2012, 02:44:16 AM »

Sansui 5000 Receiver - Quick Patch Job. This is for Anax and CEETEE who happen to have the same vintage receiver. What are the chances of that happening. Sounds great with HD800. Very powerful. Double bypassed each cap. Each cap is probably dead.

The big 2200uF caps were bypassed with 1uF and 0.1uF (I wish I had enough big caps still lying around.)

The smaller 220uF was bypassed with a 100uF and a 0.1uF

Parts order at Mouser for replacements on the original big caps. Still major changes. Much smoother, less grainy, more treble extension, more resolution. I need schematics for this amp.
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Re: Sansui Receiver - Quick Patch Job
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2012, 02:55:00 AM »

very nice work purrin! didn't know it could be done like that. also glad to see others enjoy this receiver as much as i do too. do they have the 5000a or 5000x model. i probably sure you know about the f-6013 driver boards and so forth? lucky i found the 5000x since most of them already had the new driver boards installed. picked mine up from local trading post for 60 bucks. now they're selling on avg over 250 on ebay,but i'm never gonna part with mine.

if you need schematics. check out Hifiengine. they have mostly all the schematics you can find. i got my sansui 5000x schematics and manual there.

http://www.hifiengine.com/

just have to sign up before you can download pdf files and so forth, but it's completely free.
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Re: Sansui Receiver - Quick Patch Job
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2012, 06:54:47 AM »

They make the driver boards? LOL didn't know that and wasn't looking forward to redoing the originals.
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Re: Sansui Receiver - Quick Patch Job
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2012, 07:03:09 AM »

well their not made anymore of course(you can still find the parts on ebay though). the 5000,5000a and early 5000x had the bad F-1040 driver boards that were known to opening up and pushing too much current and sometimes catching on fire. i think cause of the square doides were faulty and bad design. the F-6103 boards were newer ones replaced the f-1040. Sansui had major call back for the 5000 series in the 70's. was flagship model but with lots of issues with the driver boards blowing when pushed. it's the 2 boards between the power filter caps. it should say it on there.

Sansui was very popular among Military soldiers overseas. Sansui was specially discounted for soldiers in the military. reason why sansui is still popular a bit in vintage hi-fi. personally i love lot of sansui over more popular marantz and pioneer. also have special thing for kenwood gear. i like yamaha's 80's amps with the M-XX power amps mostly. the 70's yamaha though are very good and were used for their marketing strategy with the term ''orthodynamic'' they used to sell their headphones.
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Re: Sansui Receiver - Quick Patch Job
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2012, 06:19:33 PM »

did you find out if they use the F-6103 driver boards? if they don't i'll probably suggest them get replacements off of ebay cause they always has spare parts and sometimes even recapped and redone driver boards already set for you. for swapping them there is ton of info on audiokarma with pics and info for swapping or even modifying the driver boards.
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Re: Sansui Receiver - Quick Patch Job
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2012, 01:39:22 AM »

Don't know... They won't be driven hard - just headphones, so maybe the driver boards will last. Funny when Anax saw them: "discrete op-amps". LOL - yeah he is right - huge discrete ones.

As I said, all the major caps need replacement. I just did some minor stuff to get it up and running and performed typical audio-phool modder tricks that typically cost $800-$1500 (cap bypass).

I've just made a headphone -> speaker out adapter to avoid the 680ohm series resistor at the headphone out. It sounds much much better now.
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Re: Sansui Receiver - Quick Patch Job
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2012, 01:49:41 AM »

Can't wait to listen to this baby!!!
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Re: Sansui Receiver - Quick Patch Job
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2012, 05:51:46 AM »

Do you guys get a low-level hum out of the headphone out of these vintage receivers? I've had two (Marantz 2220b and Allied 498), and they both had a hum -- although I've only tried with low-impedance phones. Is there some sort of impedance adapter or something that would get rid of that?
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Re: Sansui Receiver - Quick Patch Job
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2012, 09:25:32 AM »

hum can be either the power supply, the power supply filter caps or possible your getting a ground loop on where the amp you have it plugged in at. do you have it directly in the wall? i always suggest plugging amps directly in the wall. you might not believe me but things like power strips and surge protectors are current/voltage limiters and will limit the amount the voltages/current the amp can draw when being worked and if push too hard you will start to blow circuits in the house. these older amps require and draw good amount of power even at idle. they might have the raw horse power for anything but draw lot of power from the wall socket.

you can also try to ground the amp with a 16 gauge or 14 gauge extension cord too. i use a heavy duty 14 gauge extension cords for my amps directly into the wall sockets. makes difference to me when running in class A with speakers under 4ohms nominal being pushed hard the sansui should be able to handle low impedance speakers pretty well cause i ran 3ohm loads off my 5000x before with no issues.
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Re: Sansui Receiver - Quick Patch Job
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2012, 09:32:54 AM »

Don't know... They won't be driven hard - just headphones, so maybe the driver boards will last. Funny when Anax saw them: "discrete op-amps". LOL - yeah he is right - huge discrete ones.

As I said, all the major caps need replacement. I just did some minor stuff to get it up and running and performed typical audio-phool modder tricks that typically cost $800-$1500 (cap bypass).

I've just made a headphone -> speaker out adapter to avoid the 680ohm series resistor at the headphone out. It sounds much much better now.

yea i don't know why but speaker outputs make some headphones just sound better(well to me). i believe studios back then use to do that as well hooking up lot of headphones directly to the speaker outputs. i knew they made adapters then before the headphone jack on amps came out to run headphones off tube amps. problem though is tubes are always transformer coupled so had to match the impedance with resistors. always downside to tubes is they have a set output impedance from their power transformers.
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