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Re: The All Purpose Advice Thread
« Reply #1060 on: May 03, 2015, 09:05:11 AM »

One of the problems with pro/semi-pro stuff is that you get, and pay for, a heap of things that you probably don't need and probably will never use. That means that just a fraction of your cash is going on the bit that you do want.

I used to wonder how the hifi market got away with the DAC thing: 50, or even 25 percent of the functionality at 2 or 4 times the price. I'm sure the idea came, originally, from a marketing man! But now I don't wonder any longer: I ask myself, "why should I pay for input when I only want output; why should I pay for an ADC when I am only going to use the DAC and, above all, why should I pay for mic pre-amps, etc,  when I am never going to record from a microphone?"

Back in the day when I did want sound going in both directions, I climbed the ladder from real-rubbish cards (Sound blasters were, back in the day, all too aptly named) to a very decent RME 2-channel, in and out, analogue and digital and had a fairly complex setup with turntable, tape, minidic, and even a small mixer for mics, and I used it all, if only for fun messing around. These days, I just play music. Also, these days, if I want RME quality, I simply cannot get a simple 2-in/2-out card any longer: I have to buy the above-mentioned facilities and more. I have an Echo Audiofire2, should I actually need to record --- but it has been a year or three now since I even digitised an LP.

So, as hifi manufacturers won the marketing war, the interfaces just gave up and gave in. Sound cards [internal] died a death because audiophiles don't "believe" in them (hey, how can music survive all the noise in a PC cabinet? The clue is that engineers, if the product is decent, also know about noise in a PC cabinet) and because, for most people, laptops now have a much greater appeal than stuff that comes in a box.

There is still a niche market for cards like Juli@ (great value for money. If I still needed a sound card, would probably buy), especially for those building media PCs, HT PCs, etc etc. High-end buyers should probably be buying Lynx, but I don't know if they do.

There are companies like Antelope that are selling to studio and home customers, and even designing stuff that looks weird enough to have audiophool attraction (I say nothing about the sound: just the looks!). Audiophiles are also interested in gear like Prism, despite the array of unwanted inputs, for the quality of its converters. Lavry, Grace, etc, also have a following.

Personally, as I just mentioned on another thread, I'd love to have a Lynx Hylo on my desk. People say that the converters are excellent (should be: Lynx have been doing this stuff since year zero of the PC-audio era) and the headphone amp is respectable too. It has heaps of gadget droolworthyness. ...But I don't need the functionality, I haven't got the cash, and it doesn't work with Linux.

Priidk, I think the crap is in the bedroom-studio noise-not-music market. M-Audio actually make a very respectable sound card or two, but I don't think they rate pro. I have a pair of M-Audio speakers on my desk here: I rate them as great value for money, but that's all.

The real studio stuff is a different market. Not only do the buyers have seriously experienced ears, but some of them will be quite ready to get out the test gear as well. If they want transparent, it had better be transparent, to ear and measuring tools. In that respect, I have a tendency to trust the real pro market more than the hifi market, because is it harder for them to sell bullshit.

Or that's the theory, at any rate. The pro world has its hype and fotm too. Spend some time browsing Gearslutz :)

My next pair of speake rs will be from the pro market...
 
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Re: The All Purpose Advice Thread
« Reply #1061 on: May 03, 2015, 04:44:23 PM »

Yeah there's the proaudio stuff, and the "prosumer" grade stuff like I mentioned earlier. Lotsa throwaway gear for all the wannabe DJ's and producers out there.

I had some M-Audio AV40 desktop monitor that were decent a few years back as well. I liked them a little more compared to the Audioengine A2's, but they were bigger in footprint.
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Re: The All Purpose Advice Thread
« Reply #1062 on: May 03, 2015, 05:13:09 PM »

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I had some M-Audio AV40 desktop monitor that were decent a few years back as well.
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That's what I've got. They are decent, for the price :)
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Re: The All Purpose Advice Thread
« Reply #1063 on: May 03, 2015, 06:28:43 PM »

Really can't complain about M-Audio and Behringer monitors in value view point. These two and Adam A-series are my automatic recommendation to newcomers who ask decent sound with not very serious money.
Mackies are 2x the cost and Genelec/Adam S-series/Klein&Hummel are 5x this much.
 
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Re: The All Purpose Advice Thread
« Reply #1064 on: May 04, 2015, 04:00:34 AM »

What do you guys think of the ibasso dx90?

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Mediocre performance. Shane55 here or on Head-fi uses the dx90 for his reference portable. When he told me that, I asked him this weekend at the meet to try my rig (GO450>Leckerton) to compare. You should ask him to pm you and talk about his impressions versus the dx90. It wouldn't be appropriate for me to use that many expletives here. ;)
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Re: The All Purpose Advice Thread
« Reply #1065 on: May 04, 2015, 04:07:06 AM »

I figured I'd post my initial impressions here after having the UERMs for a few days.

Reference System
HD800 (stock)
Mjolnir
Modi 2

Gear Used
Modi 2-->iFi iCan Micro
Galaxy Note 2
Moto G
Sansa Clip+

Comfort
The fit has some small issues, but overall is very good. They really do mostly disappear after they reach body temp. I also like how once they're in, they're in, unlike every pair of universal IEMs I've ever owned. Isolation is also great, especially at the gym. It's nice to be able to work out without having to jack the volume up to ear-splitting levels to block out the noise.

The cable is somewhat microphonic, though. I'm not sure if that's just a normal thing or not.

Gear Sensivity
Sound varies widely from source to source. List above is rough ranking in terms of SQ. All aspects of sound improve as you move up, but bass, treble, and overall instrumental separation/imaging seem to be what are really effected. The Moto G seems to have some measured roll off on the top and bottom, but the Clip+ makes female vocals sound robotic and plasticy.

Sound Quality
I don't have a balanced cable yet, so these are EARLY impressions based on a few days listening from mostly non-ideal gear. I'm also doing this in bullet points because I suck at writing.

- These really are as neutral as everyone says. There's no single aspect of the sound emphasized over any other, and it's kind of a weird experience. They really make my HD800s sound bright in comparison

- The bass is surprising. There's more of it than I anticipated since I had heard from some people that these were bass light. I'd say it's just the right amount.

- It's probably the gear used, but there seems to be a lack of clarity/detail and air. I was honestly expecting much more. There's certainly more than a lot of headphones, though, I'd say more than the HD650 I had last year. Maybe my expectations need to be recalibrated because of the HD800. It may be an unfair comparison, especially with the HD800's treble tilt.

- This is again probably the gear, but there's not a lot of dynamic texture. Loud passages don't hit much harder than softer passages, and microdynamics are practically nonexistant. I've found this aspect of sound to be very amp-dependent, though, so I expect that to improve once I try these with the Mjolnir or upgrade the portable source.

Overall, I'm not particularly enthused with these. The isolation and comfort are fantastic, but the sound quality so far has not been worth it. If I had the option to return them and get two pairs of UE4s instead (one for work, one for the gym), I probably would. Hopefully, after the small fit problems get fixed and the balanced cable comes, some of my issues with them will be alleviated.

This is the wrong thread for impressions....

Do you have a UE4 you are comparing the UERM to?

Your portable gear is actually pretty weak tbh, the UERM can scale similarly like the HD800 would on a desktop rig. Now the UE4 does have better clarity than the UERM. However, detail, resolution, texture are all superior to the UE4.

Please copy/paste this UERM stuff to the appropriate thread and we can continue the dialogue there.
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Re: The All Purpose Advice Thread
« Reply #1066 on: May 04, 2015, 11:02:55 AM »

<desktop/monitor thread sideline :) >

Really can't complain about M-Audio and Behringer monitors in value view point. These two and Adam A-series are my automatic recommendation to newcomers who ask decent sound with not very serious money.
Mackies are 2x the cost and Genelec/Adam S-series/Klein&Hummel are 5x this much.

Well, you get a lot more for your money, like for instance, multiple times the number of amplifiers with real active speakers, which the AV-40s are not (but the Adams, even entry level, are),

I vacillate like a sick pendulum on this. Sometimes, I think that for the minority speaker listening that I do, the AV-40s are just fine and spending, if any,  should be on the headphone/DAC side. Other times, I think of saving up for something exotic like the small Geithains (that's two thousand UK pounds for a pair) and currently I'm think of getting the  Amphion one12 (a mere one thousand UK quid  :o ) and using an otherwise stuck-in-the-cupboard Cyrus integrated amp with them.
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Re: The All Purpose Advice Thread
« Reply #1067 on: May 04, 2015, 01:44:20 PM »

Dx90 is simply just "okay" the GO 450 by itself sounds better than the dx90. It's what I use.
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Re: The All Purpose Advice Thread
« Reply #1068 on: May 05, 2015, 06:54:24 AM »

Thank you guys  headband
I'll give the DX90 a pass then. Lookin at the ZX2 seeing Tidal just got here and all...
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Re: The All Purpose Advice Thread
« Reply #1069 on: May 05, 2015, 06:57:47 AM »

Well the GO450+Leck was better than the ZX2 also. Just sayin'...
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