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Re: The All Purpose Advice Thread
« Reply #360 on: March 02, 2014, 03:06:15 PM »

Honestly, I think customs as a form factor are somewhat overrated in the audiophile community. In my experiences universals can be just as good both in terms of sound quality and isolation, it just depends on the implementation and your own ears! For instance, my ear canals are very narrow and don't bend much. Having tried five different brands over the years, I can say that customs are actually not a great option for me unless they're shallow fit like FitEar. Otherwise they commonly break seal and don't stay in all the way. However some behave better than others: aside from FitEar, the Jerry Harvey ones tend to be among the best for me.

My point is more or less that there's no one-size-fits-all solution, be it a universal or a custom. The idea that it's tailored to your ears would lead you believe it's more of a sure bet in terms of fit and comfort, but you may find, like me, that your ears just don't cooperate as well as others' or that the size of some of these hulking monsters with five bores and multiple crossovers are simply too big. Also the process can become a headache if you need multiple refits. Also consider that with universals you can return or resell them more easily if you find they're not for you.

I'm not trying to scare you away from customs or anything! For some folks they work extremely well, and they're definitely well suited to certain applications (like stage use --- their original purpose). However I tend to be of the mind that they're a little too freely recommended and hyped on that other forum, and as a result some are bitterly disappointed when their expectations aren't met or they end up going through a big ordeal involving multiple returns and taxes.

Also these days I'm firmly of the belief that universals are starting to catch up with customs. The custom fit in and of itself can offer good isolation (for some!) and---in theory---better bottom-end performance. However the primary benefit of customs to my mind was their amorphous body that allowed more drivers and crossovers to be crammed in there. It also allowed for smaller companies to get in on the action without having to invest in design work or OEM manufacturing for complex earpieces. These days however manufacturers have realized that consumers are willing to pay just as much for universal fit versions of such custom-type shells, so this has opened up a whole new realm of pseudo-universal designs. In know some pirates might disagree with me, but in my own experience universals like the FitEar TO GO! 334, F111, Tralucent 1Plus2, and even more "traditional" builds like the Shure SE846 and Final FI-BA-SS can pretty much compete with most CIEMs out there with a few exceptions. For instance stuff by Spiral Ears is pretty advanced, but it won't even fit a lot of peoples' ears due to how many crossover points and bores it has!

Now if they'd just sell the universal UERM commercially, I'd be a happy MuppetFace.
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Re: The All Purpose Advice Thread
« Reply #361 on: March 02, 2014, 03:39:16 PM »

Hey all, I'm a lurker more than anything and have been searching but I think I need more guidance.

I've had a Fiio E7 for about three years now and I think it's going to give up soon. I used it as a DAC + amp from my laptop, and I'm looking for a device that basically an upgrade for it. I'd like to keep the cost as low as possible but I can spare up to $200. Currently I am looking at the Hifimediy Tiny Sabre DAC http://hifimediy.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=107+ an O2 (I have a friend with the parts that'll cost me ~$60) but the O2 isn't usb powered which would create an additional hassle. Alternatively, I am also checking out the Audioquest Dragonfly 1.2 is $150 at amazon and the JDS Labs c5d (more than $200 but I am willing to stretch my budget if it's much better than any alternatives). I currently use a dt1350, ath-im02 and I have a tascam th02 arriving eventually for modding purposes.


Herus and DT 1350 are a great combo, especially if you can apply a bit of EQ to bring the 1350 bass under control. I find that -3dB per octave starting at 120Hz does it for me.
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Re: The All Purpose Advice Thread
« Reply #362 on: March 02, 2014, 10:38:42 PM »

I'll join in on the unanimous advice: if you want isolation you use earplugs, so why not use earplugs which make music? You'll get 10db extra isolation with a CIEM or deep insertion IEM than with anything else. Otherwise, the Bose ANC options are good for planes, but are very meh otherwise.
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Re: The All Purpose Advice Thread
« Reply #363 on: March 03, 2014, 07:08:28 AM »

Thanks everyone, i guess i'll think it through again.

I'm was not set on CIEMs, because my ear canals are like MF's - very narrow and short. And with no audiologist around, potential refits, etc. i'm just not sure about it. I can't insert most tri-flange tips, because (besides long term comfort issues) they only go half way and protrude from my ears. Never tried Comply/Shure foam tips, maybe i should look into that.
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Re: The All Purpose Advice Thread
« Reply #364 on: March 05, 2014, 12:23:55 AM »

I don't find foam tips isolate as well as silicone.  I think you can get a better seal with silicone.  Foam tips can be more comfortable but I find they quickly get dirty.  I don't have very waxy ears but they pick up ear wax like crazy and become kind of crispy.  I try to clean them but it is a real pain and they are never the same as the first couple weeks.  It is fine as long as you change them out every couple of months.

I have found my favorite are the clear silicone ones that come with the re400.  They are soft but with enough sturdiness to make them easy to insert.  Some silicone's like the ie800 are super soft and flexible which is a bugger when you try to insert them because they just collapse.
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Re: The All Purpose Advice Thread
« Reply #365 on: March 05, 2014, 08:52:41 PM »

Thanks everyone, i guess i'll think it through again.

I'm was not set on CIEMs, because my ear canals are like MF's - very narrow and short. And with no audiologist around, potential refits, etc. i'm just not sure about it. I can't insert most tri-flange tips, because (besides long term comfort issues) they only go half way and protrude from my ears. Never tried Comply/Shure foam tips, maybe i should look into that.

As someone who works for an airline and travels a ton, I'd take the Bose QC15 on the airplane over CIEMs. They're less of a hassle to take on/put off and more comfortable (to me at least) for long distance flights. I also find that even if my CIEMs isolate very well, if I'm near the back I'll still hear the faint rumble/growl of the engine which causes a tendency to turn up the volume louder than my normal settings. Not that it's unnoticable with the QC15, but it's more tolerable without having to pump up the sound to loud.

I haven't had a chance to try the new Bose NC earphones yet, but I hear they've also very good and have been wanting to give a pair a shot. Maybe next time if I get to the airport early and stop by one of the stores.
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Re: The All Purpose Advice Thread
« Reply #366 on: March 06, 2014, 02:44:05 AM »

Mind if I jump in on the IEM/CIEM discussion a bit? I've been considering CIEMs for a while, just haven't gotten round to trying out the demos yet. I'm finding myself traveling more as of late.

My question;
Those of you who own both summit-fi headphones and top-end IEM/CIEMs; If you had to give up everything in your collection and just keep one pair (regardless of whether it'd be for home or mobile listening), would you be happy with a high-end IEM/CIEM. I've been seriously thinking of downsizing my collection to just one rig, and at the same time have heard great things from friends (real life ones) about modern-day CIEMs. One acquaintance is pointing me towards JH Audio, while  another is badgering me to demo the FitEar MH334 and 335DW models.  After some serious daydreaming, I figured something like a CIEM + high-end DAP (AK120 or 240) or maybe a CIEM + portable DAC/Amp (the new Chord thingamajig, for example) setup that could bluetooth sync with my phone/laptop would be mighty attractive, provided the SQ was there.

I know the obvious advantages of CIEMs - isolation, comfort, minimal heat build-up, etc. But it's the SQ bit I'm unsure about, and have no experience with. Obviously there won't be anything in-ear capable of imaging like a HD800 or 009, but is there anything out there that could maybe get close to a LCD-2 (minus the shoddy Audeze reliability and discomfort), for instance? Soundstage doesn't have to be the biggest in the world, but I would like some out-of-headness.

Possible? Any particular models I should demo?



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Re: The All Purpose Advice Thread
« Reply #367 on: March 06, 2014, 06:15:56 AM »

Well, I still like my JH13 non-FPs more than most in-production TOTL flagships these days.

In terms of pure sonic merit I preferred them to the LCD2.2s I had a couple of weeks ago. In recent fleeting comparisons I considered the JH13s to be surprisingly similar to well-driven SR-007s in tonal balance and quality.
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Re: The All Purpose Advice Thread
« Reply #368 on: March 06, 2014, 04:05:00 PM »

@Moodyz

I actually tried downsizing to just a CIEM + high end DAP in the past. Had a big gear purge and sold off most everything. Made it through half a year maybe before I picked up another pair of TOTL headphones. It's not that high-end CIEMs can't present a realistic soundstage, but it's a somewhat different experience than what headphones provide, just like headphones don't have the same presence as speakers do regardless of cost. I like CIEMs for their convenience traveling, but they're rarely my go-to at home.

Then again, there are people out there that love IEMs and find headphones to sound poor in comparison. I think it's just a matter of trying a pair out for yourself and finding which side of the coin you're on.
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Re: The All Purpose Advice Thread
« Reply #369 on: March 06, 2014, 07:43:32 PM »

One thing I appreciate about CIEMs is that the treble is relatively well-behaved compared to the vast majority of dynamic (if not all electrodynamic) transducers. I think balanced armatures are a really cool technology; once CIEM vendors started offering true supra-16KHz extension they've been more than competitive in terms of sonic merits in my opinion.
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