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The Advent of the Swiss Army Knife
« on: February 05, 2013, 07:20:47 PM »

It all started with this:





Specs


This product was/is huge.  There are megathreads and uber mega-threads, reports of people dropping their whole rack of gear in droves for this all-in-one DAC/Pre/Power/wireless streamer, 15 Million in VC funding.  Lots of other reports say its good at everything it does but truly great at nothing.  Still, for convenience in the two channel world it is nonpareil, thus the popularity.  They also seem to be fighting quite tenaciously to have the "new class" they have developed, AD, be considered superior to D or AB.


13-16K New, 9-11K Used.

Of course, with the popularity the Devialet has enjoyed there are bound to be imitators, even if it took them a couple years to get out the gate.


Announced at CES:





Wadia Intuition 01.


Audiostream blurb:


The Intuition 01 (projected $7,500 - $8,000) rolls up a 350W/channel Class D+ amp, 32-bit AD/DA digital preamp with a 1.5MHz sampling frequency, 32/384 and DSD-capable USB DAC, 6 additional digital inputs (1 Toslink, 2 Wdialink/I2S, 2 Coax S/PDIF, 1 AES/EBU), Wadia's Delta-SigMaster 1.536MHz upsampling algorithm, and 2 analog RCA inputs for a nearly fully functional and sleek one-not-a-box solution.


Then:





Playback Designs IPS-3.


[/size]The new Integrated Playback System 3 (IPS-3) will start shipping sometime in the summer. It is really a fun product that I really did not expect would be ready in time to show at CES /T.H.E. Show. Andreas and Bert worked incredibly hard to have it ready and the day before I left for Vegas, I got the call that it was ready. Of course all the PR and pre-announcements could not be done because of the uncertainty of having it there. Sorry for there being no pre-warning.[/color][/size]The IPS-3 has a 3 Series DAC, Preamplifier and Stereo Amplifier built into one box. The preamplifier section has 7 inputs:
USB | AES/EBU | S/PDIF | XLR | 2 RCAs | Playlink (Playback Designs' proprietary link)
The amplifier outputs 130 wpc into 8 ohms and doubes into 4 ohms. It drove the hell out of the 87 db efficient Evolution Acoustics MMMicroOnes.


Looks like there is an emergence of a whole new industry here of swiss-army-knife components.  DAC/Pre/Power/Streamer is just about everything but transducer, server, and cable.  I guess it remains to be seen if the market supports it - high quality used separates can be purchased for less that do their individual jobs better, but they don't offer ease of use, setup, and simplicity that these all-in-ones do.  The question is do people want "good at everything but perhaps great at nothing + convenience" or "great (hopefully) everything minus convenience" - or wi ll the market somehow just continue to support everything.  I see this as the next logical step for amp companies looking to get into the DAC market and digital companies looking to break into the amp market.  Since the two (analog+digital) are now bundled as a whole system, the buyer will have a whole system that stays SOTA as long as the DAC/Digital amp market stays static - which isn't long.  It also prevents mixing/matching components to find something that works with your system - either the D Premier works in your system or it doesn't.
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Re: The Advent of the Swiss Army Knife
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2013, 07:30:33 PM »

I find the swiss army knife concept appealing, especially for a secondary bedroom setup or smaller apartment space. That Wadia looks really slick.
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Re: The Advent of the Swiss Army Knife
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2013, 07:48:58 PM »

I didn't care for the Deviant, both looks (like a bathroom scale) and sound wise.
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Re: The Advent of the Swiss Army Knife
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2013, 07:57:16 PM »

It's sort of the same impulse that makes me just want to "pick something and then be done."  Definitely has a certain appeal to it.


The Wadia was designed by someone who worked on designing the Sonus Faber line.  I'm partial to the looks of the Strativari if it fits the room.  The Devialet looks really nice on the wall.  PD gear always struck me as looking too much like aluminium siding on a house.
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Re: The Advent of the Swiss Army Knife
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2013, 08:02:01 PM »

Yeah, that Wadia thing looks like it could have been designed by Apple. At least when Steve Jobs was alive and functioning.
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Re: The Advent of the Swiss Army Knife
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2013, 08:27:03 PM »

I don't like the dot matrix thing, M2Tech did it and it looks terrible too (Cantata manages it well though.)  If they weren't cost-cutting an OLED display would be much, much nicer.


I don't like the Devialet's on-table look very much, on-wall is pretty nice though.  Mirror polish is cool, Burmester-like touch. 


As for sound, never heard it.  Wouldn't be surprised if as a whole it is very meh - did you hear it at the SHOW?
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Re: The Advent of the Swiss Army Knife
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2013, 08:40:51 PM »

That picture w/ the Korbel and buckshot feet makes me never want to have anything to do w/ it.
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Re: The Advent of the Swiss Army Knife
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2013, 08:51:52 PM »

The feet are wave kinetic units, Jonathan Tinn represents (founded) Evolution Acoustics, (co-founded) Playback Designs, (imports) Dartzeel, Wave Kinetics.  So you'll have interesting situations where his speakers may be a great deal at $2500, but he would suggest you also buy $1500 footers, a $6000 power cord, and a $18000 amp to "get the most out of it."  Andreas Koch definitely knows what he's doing, but that doesn't mean his co-founder/distributor isn't above appealing to the basest side of high-end audio (the part that pays $145000 for monoblocks that look like USC branded Dell computers/Dartzeel NHB 458)
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Re: The Advent of the Swiss Army Knife
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2013, 08:52:22 PM »

While appealing on the surface, I always wonder what's being compromised? 

My 70's receiver has a pretty limited list of functions, but what it does it does well.  Compared to some of the stuff produced in the 80's and 90's that had all the "bells and whistles", well there is no comparison... it'll blow 'em out of the water.

So as long as we're not going down THAT road, color me interested.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2013, 09:02:07 PM by shipsupt »
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Re: The Advent of the Swiss Army Knife
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2013, 08:59:23 PM »

I didn't care for the Deviant, both looks (like a bathroom scale) and sound wise.

I heard it at the LAOCAS meeting at Digital Ear last summer.  It didn't blow me away, but I don't know how much of that to attribute to the Devialet itself and how much to attribute to the Focal speakers.

I wouldn't mind hearing it with a speaker I actually like.
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