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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #80 on: January 18, 2013, 09:47:49 PM »

Agree with you Purrin about the term musical being a copout.  All it really means is "I like this" and want to use an audio term but don't really know what to say.  Which is fine because describing sound is really hard as you say, but better to be honest, and just say "I like this".  It's a non-descriptive descriptor.  I think most of the time terms like "musical" are followed closely by phrases like "we all hear different" which is another copout. 

PRaT seems similar.  A super technical sounding term that really is just describing a subjective experience and doesn't mean much.  Funny, when that term was brought up i remembered when I first signed up on HF, reading reviews by some of the "big time" reviewers, PRaT was always a term that I never understood and made me feel like a noob.  I'd think "gosh darn these guys sure know a lot of fancy words to describe sound".  I guess that's the point though, and why speaker salesman would use it too. 

How about the references to location in the audience that people frequently use?  Can't remember the exact phrasing.  But I often read people placing headphones in a very precise location in an audience.  Like "the Grados man, I love them cause they put me ON the stage man, the ATH's are like 4 rows back, and the HD650 is just boring, it's way in the back of the concert hall and I just fall asleep".  I'm always thinking ...."what?"  What the hell does that mean?  Maybe I haven't been to enough concerts or something I don't know, it just seems like BS to me. 
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #81 on: January 18, 2013, 10:01:16 PM »

Grados man, they put you right up to the horn of a a considerable THD PA speaker man.  It's like you were there..man.

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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #82 on: January 18, 2013, 10:25:54 PM »

Actually spatial placement is true but it also can come from amps/dacs.  The craziest was the SM3 IEM.  Most times on the stage, sometimes behind the band members, sometimes under the stage like WTf?!  Hated that.  Guess that falls into 'chameleon'.  The Westone W4 did this concave SS thing where the L/R extremes were more intimate and the center stage was pushed back.  I don't experience things like that as positive traits.
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #83 on: January 18, 2013, 10:34:54 PM »

I just don't see how soundstage size relates to a concert.  It's just small soundstage.  Or the soundstage is projected behind you. 

I think chameleo- like is a meaningful term.  One of the best ways to tell where neutral really lies is when a headphone or component can shift in all directions.  Something like an RS1 can never sound dull and rolled off and polite.  An HP1 can, out of an amp that sounds dull and rolled off and polite.  The less a component has a sound of it's own, the more sound characteristics it takes on from upstream.  Hence, chameleon. 

Of course, there's crazies out there who probably use this term to describe their mood swings more than anything else
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #84 on: January 18, 2013, 10:59:03 PM »

What's a non colored headphone?  A headphone that masks all recordings equally?  There is certainly an aspect to detail retrieval related to driver capability independent of FR bias.  If someone can't tell 128kb from 320kb (assuming a properly dynamic track) that phone/rig is masking and simply not accurate.

I get what you're saying about ultimately everything is colored, and there are different ways of being colored.  Making errors and masking information.  But I was just talking about the blame game.  "revealing" is probably the most misused word on head-fi.
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #85 on: January 18, 2013, 11:05:59 PM »

How about the references to location in the audience that people frequently use?  Can't remember the exact phrasing.  But I often read people placing headphones in a very precise location in an audience.  Like "the Grados man, I love them cause they put me ON the stage man, the ATH's are like 4 rows back, and the HD650 is just boring, it's way in the back of the concert hall and I just fall asleep".  I'm always thinking ...."what?"  What the hell does that mean?  Maybe I haven't been to enough concerts or something I don't know, it just seems like BS to me.

Interesting example, here's a translation:

"the Grados man, I love them cause they put me ON the stage man"
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"the drivers are pressed right against my fucking ears"

"the ATH's are like 4 rows back"
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"holy fuck, the driver's further back and the pads are comfy. it's like, more spacious and engineered and shit"

"the HD650 is just boring, it's way in the back of the concert hall and I just fall asleep"
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"dude, where did the treble go?"

(it's way too easy to translate pompous audiophile to stonerspeak)
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #86 on: January 18, 2013, 11:23:13 PM »

(it's way too easy to translate pompous audiophile to stonerspeak)

For me it was one and the same.
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #87 on: January 19, 2013, 01:20:33 AM »

I always wonder how bad reality must sound to people who say that.  I obviously like headphones, but... they sound like headphones.  Every one I've ever heard, if nothing else for the fact that my brain doesn't contexualize what I'm hearing with anything in my enviornment.

I guess the Smith Realizer came close to not sounding like headphones, but its less-than-stellar synergy with the HD800's gave everything an opaque fuzziness.
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #88 on: January 19, 2013, 04:37:15 AM »

So basically, WTH does that mean precisely? Especially when we are tying to communicate sonic qualities to someone else (not an easy task!) One is better of simply saying that one prefers the MadDog over the Paradox. In other words, the term "musical" without the support of any further elaboration is really the ultimate cop-out when we think about it.

Its actually based more on taste than anything else but if you check my dt250 thread on headfi I think everyone there actually agrees with me on those particular cans so there may be very well some cans out there that appeal more than others in that sense... ex.hd650. I dunno... just throwin it out there for people to think about.  :wheel:
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #89 on: January 19, 2013, 06:34:46 AM »

Did we already cover "fun?" The 'u' in "fun" stands for the sound signature usually associated with the word. MOAR FUN.
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