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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #140 on: January 21, 2013, 06:11:58 PM »

If I understand we are whales who consume plankton by listening to music. You see the oceans of music are our habitats and plankton is our food. Our plankton addiction varies though...  :)p8
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #141 on: January 21, 2013, 06:38:57 PM »

I believe plankton = low-level detail.  To me, its the biggestplus for the HD800 as no other headphone I've heard can extract "plankton" like the HD800 (and I use speakers for staging).  My personal belief is that some find plankton distracting, and this may be a key to preference of amps like the WA22 which totally fail to extract the plankton with the HD800 vs amps like the BA (and Anax would say the S7) which do not prevent the HD800 from extracting everything it can from the recording.


To be a  jerk about the whole chameleon thing, I find us humans to be more chameleon-like than any of our gear.  Chameleons change color based on mood, light, temperature - I find my tastes and whims do as well.
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #142 on: January 21, 2013, 07:16:21 PM »

To be a  jerk about the whole chameleon thing, I find us humans to be more chameleon-like than any of our gear.  Chameleons change color based on mood, light, temperature - I find my tastes and whims do as well.

I think the metaphor works well for both people and certain gear.

Some headphones sound largely the same no matter what you feed them, whereas others change a lot more depending on their "environment." How I feel also depends in part on my environment, and how I feel determines the sort of gear I seek.

Then again, the other day someone was telling me they felt the HD800 sounded best on a Leben with bass boost. That exceeds my range of chameleonic adaptation.
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #143 on: January 21, 2013, 08:40:31 PM »

Cheers Tari, I wasn't too far off. I took it to mean low level resolution combined with micro-dynamics.

HD800 are certainly what I would call chameleon. Another phone that is like that is the HD650. For a dark headphone it sounds characteristically different from different amps and sources. The HD800 and HD650 also respond quite dramatically to balanced drive... more so than the Hifimans and Audezes that have come through here. Actually I think both those Sennheisers are far more chameleon than the HE-500, LCD-2 r1 or 2.

I'm not sure what the SR-009 amp would be. After hearing it in a controlled setting with the BHSE I never felt the need to run out and buy one. A nice combination, but it didn't resonate with me. They couldn't disappear, similar to the SZ3 O2... just something "there" about them that I can't characterize. 
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #144 on: January 21, 2013, 08:45:49 PM »

Some people are 'prawn' people. They don't like their music served as 'plankton', they like bigger chunks as in 120kbs MP3.

Maybe Plankton = good headphones and a nice source.
Prawns = 120kbs MP3 on an Ipod with dock connection to an amp and a DAB radio.
Cuttlefish = podcasts on a Sansa without an amp.
Crabs = 78RPM on a 6 inch nail and soundboard.

All perfectly good for pirates and hi fi.  :)p13

I loved the reference to Plankton in a thread about nonsensical terms.
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #145 on: January 21, 2013, 09:48:28 PM »

HD800 are certainly what I would call chameleon. Another phone that is like that is the HD650. For a dark headphone it sounds characteristically different from different amps and sources. The HD800 and HD650 also respond quite dramatically to balanced drive... more so than the Hifimans and Audezes that have come through here. Actually I think both those Sennheisers are far more chameleon than the HE-500, LCD-2 r1 or 2.


It's not really the difference in the amplifiers but the difference in output resistance (voltage division, not damping factor) that makes certain headphones chameleons (at least it appears as that is what 'chameleonism' is)
I would call it nonsensical as better technical terms exist.
At least now I have the 'technical translation' for 'chameleon'
I had difficulties in comprehending that term, thanks for the pointer Omegakitty...

I hope you guys don't let me walk the walk the plank ton
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #146 on: January 21, 2013, 11:02:17 PM »

Is there something fishy about this thread.  p:8
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #147 on: January 22, 2013, 02:57:28 AM »

Solderdude and Astralstorm, it seems you have a hard time comprehending something unless you can see numbers or graphs.  What I'm talking about is a concept and a pretty important one despite the silly animal metaphor.  Maybe I'll draw you some pictures at some point. 
« Last Edit: January 22, 2013, 03:10:45 AM by rhythmdevils »
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #148 on: January 22, 2013, 06:12:12 AM »

Solderdude, it seems you have a hard time comprehending something unless you can see numbers or graphs.  What I'm talking about is a concept and a pretty important one despite the silly animal metaphor.  Maybe I'll draw you some pictures at some point.

Indeed I did not understand how a headphone could be different at times but I assumed it was meant as it sounding different on the same gear somehow.
The better headphones can sound bassless or sibilant on the same setup and warm/lush as well depending on the recording and thought that was meant by the term (not being HF'er).
Omegakitty's description clarified the point to me so I understand.

My viewpoint really has little to do with numbers or graphs being important to me, IMO more with the fact that I "believe" audio = electronics.
Been in audio (electronics, and electromechanics side) for over 30 years which may explain why I feel knowledge analog electronics knowledge (not hobbyist level) could be of relevance including the numbers and graphs that come with it, which I think has a clear relation to what I think I hear (perceive might be more accurate term).
P.S.... I am not one of Voldemorts minions but my findings have great resemblances with what he used to preach, though not everything nor in the same condescending way.
I also fully understand there is a difference in hearing ability (which I believe most can be learned/trained).
I also fully understand the border between 'religion' and 'science' is a variable one and not set in stone meaning for some it is clear where that border is and that border may be slightly shifted to either 'side' depending on how one listens/tests e.t.c. while still being certain their perception of that border feels 'rigid' and non-negotiable.
This too is relevant to what one sees as sensical or nonsensical audioterms or descriptions of others.

Not coming from a producer or musician but from a technical corner does put me in a corner and would really (not lying here or sucking up) someone painting me pictures of how they see it.
Omegakitty's picture was immensely clear and really appreciate those kind of descriptions.
Some may have perceived that remark as 'cynical' but it was intended as 'true'.

I hope I painted my picture in the right colors  :-S
« Last Edit: January 22, 2013, 06:26:20 AM by Solderdude »
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Re: Nonsensical audio terms
« Reply #149 on: January 22, 2013, 06:31:01 AM »

By the way, how is the term "sweet" defined exactly? I keep on hearing it from a more non-audiophile crowd for treble, I never really got it. Is it supposedly a less dry and airier treble?
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