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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #180 on: February 13, 2015, 04:30:37 AM »


What's your opinion of the lounge? Heard some say it best the leahmann blackbox and that won the blind face off at analog plannet?


I don't know about the lounge, but the two of the best phono stages I've ever heard are 1) my EAR 324 and 2) the Zesto Audio Andros. The Sutherland 20/20 is also supposed to be superb, but I have not had the opportunity to hear one. I have to admit I would love to have the Zesto, but my EAR is no slouch in any way, and has been rated a Stereophile A class phono pre for many years (and I got it at an absolute killer price).
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #181 on: February 13, 2015, 04:35:03 AM »

So, I'm going to play the contrarian here and repesctfully push back a bit on Dave's comments about Regas.

I like Rega turntables...a lot. I have a P5 with a GrooveTracer subplatter (the one with sapphire jewel thrust pad bearing and a ceramic ball bearing). The RB700 arm has a Sumiko Pearwood Celebration II moving coil cartridge. I find this table to have excellent musicality, rhythmic drive, bass articulation and definition. It's a kick out the jams kind of turntable, and what's remarkable about is that it compares quite favorably with approximately $13,000 Michell Gyro SE MkII, SME V and Koetsu Vermilion turntable. You get about 85% of the performance of the Michell with the Rega P5/Sumiko for about 1/6 the price. I also have Clearaudio Concept, and while it is quite a good table for the price, IMO, the Rega P5 is better. The performance for dollar that table provides is pretty amazing, in my experience.

Fair enough. I should note that I think the RP1/3 are the weakest of the lot, and things do get better with the RP6 which I guess is more comparable to the older P5. That being said, my Ace Space 294 combo with Shelter 7000 and Stillpoints clamp into my Sutherland will also make short work of the Gryo, even without the features of the Hyperspace which is a true giant slayer. I also prefer heavy mass designs, which is kind of antithetical to the Rega mission.
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #182 on: February 13, 2015, 04:44:31 AM »

Fair enough. I should note that I think the RP1/3 are the weakest of the lot, and things do get better with the RP6 which I guess is more comparable to the older P5. That being said, my Ace Space 294 combo with Shelter 7000 and Stillpoints clamp into my Sutherland will also make short work of the Gryo, even without the features of the Hyperspace which is a true giant slayer. I also prefer heavy mass designs, which is kind of antithetical to the Rega mission.

Dave, are you referring to a Nottingham deck when you say Ace Space? I've heard those several times at the Analog Room in San Jose, CA and they are great TTs. Haven't heard the Shelter 7000, but it would be interesting to put it up against my Koetsu Urushi Vermilion, if only for grins. Also, heard great things about Stillpoints, but not sure it would be compatible with the Michell design.

My Michell TT deck didn't cost me $13K, actually more like $5800, as I bought the SME and Koetsu for $1500 and $1800 respectively.

What is the Hyperspace?
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #183 on: February 13, 2015, 04:52:37 PM »

Dave, are you referring to a Nottingham deck when you say Ace Space? I've heard those several times at the Analog Room in San Jose, CA and they are great TTs. Haven't heard the Shelter 7000, but it would be interesting to put it up against my Koetsu Urushi Vermilion, if only for grins. Also, heard great things about Stillpoints, but not sure it would be compatible with the Michell design.

My Michell TT deck didn't cost me $13K, actually more like $5800, as I bought the SME and Koetsu for $1500 and $1800 respectively.

What is the Hyperspace?

Yep, Nottingham. Prior to my Ace Space I was using an older Origin Live, and shopping around for new tables I found a trade-in Ace Space 294 table/arm combo at a dealer, loved it, and snatched it up. I like the Gryo and the Orbe, but at their price points I think Nottingham has them beat, especially if you add a precision motor controller and heavy kit.

The Ace Space 294 is sort of the ultimate evolution of the Spacedeck, you get a special 14" platter that makes it extremely solid, stable, and quiet, and a 12" arm designed to partner with it.

The Hyperspace is the next rung up the Nottingham ladder, and gets the more advanced oil pumping bearing from Nottingham's flagship tables. It costs about $4500, and then you need to add the Ace Anna arm which is another $3800 or so. It's a lot of money, but together the two of them can take on just about anything.

The Shelter 7000 is two down from Shelter's flagship Harmony MC. It normally lists for $3400, but I was able to pick a new one up for about half that on Audiogon. It's a pretty neutral cart, less warm than the Koetsus that I've heard. Punchy and great for rock, but probably not the world's most sophisticated. I wouldn't pay the $3400 for sure, at that price I'd either be looking at a Miyajima, or hunting for a Benz LP-S which is my favorite cart on earth.
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #184 on: February 13, 2015, 06:38:49 PM »

So, I'm going to play the contrarian here and repesctfully push back a bit on Dave's comments about Regas.

I like Rega turntables...a lot. I have a P5 with a GrooveTracer subplatter (the one with sapphire jewel thrust pad bearing and a ceramic ball bearing). The RB700 arm has a Sumiko Pearwood Celebration II moving coil cartridge. I find this table to have excellent musicality, rhythmic drive, bass articulation and definition. It's a kick out the jams kind of turntable, and what's remarkable about is that it compares quite favorably with approximately $13,000 Michell Gyro SE MkII, SME V and Koetsu Vermilion turntable. You get about 85% of the performance of the Michell with the Rega P5/Sumiko for about 1/6 the price. I also have Clearaudio Concept, and while it is quite a good table for the price, IMO, the Rega P5 is better. The performance for dollar that table provides is outstanding, in my experience. I could easily live with table as my only TT, no problem at all. I also love the cherry surround for the base.

With my Soundsmith retipped Grace Ruby


The lovely Sumiko Pearwood Celebration II...a very Koetsu-like moving coil at a great price.



Haha I like the puma signiture in the pics.  This is what always gets me about regas I never heard some one say that a rega sounds good only ever heard "after I modded X the rega sounds good." This kind of turns me off to regas. Still I never heArd rega only ever heard a vpi nomad with some grado sr80i done I still have much to learn. Signed up for the show do hopefully I can't get some experience there.
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #185 on: February 13, 2015, 09:39:41 PM »


Haha I like the puma signiture in the pics.  This is what always gets me about regas I never heard some one say that a rega sounds good only ever heard "after I modded X the rega sounds good." This kind of turns me off to regas. Still I never heArd rega only ever heard a vpi nomad with some grado sr80i done I still have much to learn. Signed up for the show do hopefully I can't get some experience there.

Nothing beats going out there and listening for yourself. That being said, just for comparison here's a Hyperspace. I like em big and I like em heavy  8)

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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #186 on: February 15, 2015, 05:50:13 PM »

I don't know about the lounge, but the two of the best phono stages I've ever heard are 1) my EAR 324 and 2) the Zesto Audio Andros. The Sutherland 20/20 is also supposed to be superb, but I have not had the opportunity to hear one. I have to admit I would love to have the Zesto, but my EAR is no slouch in any way, and has been rated a Stereophile A class phono pre for many years (and I got it at an absolute killer price).

checked them out but they are a little above my price range.


Nothing beats going out there and listening for yourself. That being said, just for comparison here's a Hyperspace. I like em big and I like em heavy  8)




nice very monolithic, though in this range I'd probably go for the ostentatious oneDof

 http://www.extravaganzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/One-Degree-of-Freedom-Turntable-2.jpg


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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #187 on: February 15, 2015, 06:41:19 PM »

checked them out but they are a little above my price range.

For a moderately priced phono pre, check out the Musical Surroundings Phonomena II. All of the MS pres are lovely, but this one in particular is a standout in its price range.

http://www.stereotimes.com/acc010209.shtml
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #188 on: February 15, 2015, 08:01:07 PM »

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thanks I was wondering if there were any discrete phono preamps on the sub-$1500 range, I couldn't find any.

my two front runners where the vista audio phono1 mk2 and the lounge phono mk3 made in america by enthusiast, figured they would be worth a shot.
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #189 on: February 23, 2015, 09:20:51 PM »

I see this asked from time to time but anyone do vinyl + headphone listening? 

I'm finding a few things:

-Far too revealing of surface noise and flaws.  If I have about 100 records I could probably only pick out a handful that are tolerable.  I get that part of this is psychological.
-I need to try with my other TT but I can hear the movement of the spinning record along the needle IE any blackground really suffers as a result.  I have records with lots of surface noise but this second point is always there even on clean sounding records.

I admit the cartridge is just an old Shure m95ED which leads me to the question of would a better cart significantly help both of the above?

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