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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #160 on: January 24, 2015, 11:19:08 PM »

Bat Shit Crazy or not, karma points! and welcome back!  :)p1

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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #161 on: January 25, 2015, 01:09:12 AM »

Technics SL-1200 I assume? You'll find differing opinions on whether a stock SL-1200 is better or worse than the $~500 level belt drive tables, but I will say that there are a number of things you can do with the 1200 to considerably improve its performance if you want to upgrade in the future. The Debut arm doesn't have VTA adjustment, so your path is pretty limited, you could maybe swap in a 2M Blue if you want, but that's about it. The 2M Red is also not as great as its made out to be in the audio mags. The better Shure carts can definitely beat the Ortofon.

With a 1200 on the other hand you could do the bearing upgrade, swap in any number of 3rd party arm boards, and go pretty high-end with it if you want. That still won't make it as good as something like a PL-7L, but that upgrade route may appeal to you more than selling the Debut and starting over when the upgrade bug bites.


damn that is something to think about, the technics I'm looking is a show floor model (the mkII model to be specific) do you think its to much for a first turntable?

edit- by that I mean to much of a hassel to mess with, as I probably wont upgrade for a while.  the most I was thinking of doing with the carbon was adding a shure m97xe then a jisco stylus to get my feet wet.
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #162 on: January 25, 2015, 03:51:44 AM »

Is it a pretty significant difference with a standalone phono pre- versus say what would be in my Pioneer SX 1280 or 780?
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #163 on: January 25, 2015, 06:09:31 AM »

edit- by that I mean to much of a hassel to mess with, as I probably wont upgrade for a while.  the most I was thinking of doing with the carbon was adding a shure m97xe then a jisco stylus to get my feet wet.

No I don't think so. Provided this particular example has been properly cared for, it's durable as hell and a half decent performer in stock form. There is also a much bigger support community for the SL-1200 than any of the more exotic vintage direct drives.

The 1200's biggest weakness as stock is the arm. If you don't want to pay to do a Rega arm swap, you can re-wire the stock arm to significantly improve performance. Here's a pretty good guide on how its done. If this sort of table surgery scares you, there are folks that will do the work on it.

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/how-to-rewire-a-technics-sl-1200-tonearm.148792/
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #164 on: January 25, 2015, 10:13:52 AM »

ahhh feels good to be back on the death star.....uurrrrr changstar
 
I was thinking the same thing then I read this:  http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-turntable/ 

TL;DR its wow factor sucks and when the motor heats up it slows down (I saw a youtube review that said the same thing, the reviewer had to personally go to the manufacture for them to identify the problem and I don't live in the midwest.)

right now I am leaning towards the project debut carbon since it was a better cartrige out of the box (ortofon red) and better wow than the rega rp1.  If anyone has any experience with both the rega and the project please do share.  The model I'm looking at is the project carbon DC but for like $50 bucks more I can find a use technics so I'm debating what to do.


You might want to check that the Project Carbon's tonearm is adjustable for azimuth (that is, the headshell is slotted so you can twist the cartridge to get proper alignment). Some Pro-Ject tonearms just have two holes for mounting the cartridge, no slots.
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #165 on: January 25, 2015, 03:49:52 PM »

No I don't think so. Provided this particular example has been properly cared for, it's durable as hell and a half decent performer in stock form. There is also a much bigger support community for the SL-1200 than any of the more exotic vintage direct drives.

The 1200's biggest weakness as stock is the arm. If you don't want to pay to do a Rega arm swap, you can re-wire the stock arm to significantly improve performance. Here's a pretty good guide on how its done. If this sort of table surgery scares you, there are folks that will do the work on it.

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/how-to-rewire-a-technics-sl-1200-tonearm.148792/

I'm going to try something weird like this soon. I'll make a thread.
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #166 on: January 25, 2015, 06:07:55 PM »

KAB USA has a bunch of upgrade/mod options for the 1200, including rewires and fluid damping systems for the tonearm. https://www.kabusa.com/frameset.htm?/m1200.htm
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #167 on: January 25, 2015, 08:03:30 PM »

well now I really want a technics!!

@OJneg I found a video if you want to check it out.

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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #168 on: January 27, 2015, 03:12:15 PM »

You can download some 24/96 samples of "entry" level hifi tables here:
http://www.audio.de/vergleichstest/plattenspieler-test-hoerprobe-musikbeispiel-download-2160464.html

They all have different cartridges (as supplied with the table) so it isn't apples to apples IMO you still get a good idea of what to expect.

The tables are:
Dual CS 505-4 with Ortofon OMB 10
Pro-Ject Xpression Carbon with Ortofon 2M silver
Rega RP 40 with Elys 40
Thorens TD 206 with Denon DL 103R


You can also get the same musical samples (in 24/48) played from 12 different cartridges from all levels of the price spectrum on a nice setup here:
http://www.audio.de/ratgeber/tonabnehmer-vergleich-test-plattenspieler-musikbeispiele-download-2072844.html
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Re: The Turntable Thread
« Reply #169 on: January 28, 2015, 03:06:16 AM »

Denali, did you put an aftermarket sub platter on your Rega?

Sure did. Groovetracer Reference.
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