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Re: REVIEW: Eddie Current Super 7
« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2012, 08:15:13 AM »

Was the 2A3 the other amp at the Bay Area meet on the EC table?  Both the S7 and purrin's BA clearly sounded superior to the 2nd EC amp.  Both amps had a much more authoritative and clean sound to them, and it wasn't very close.


Yes, I believe it was.  I understand that the Moth DAC Craig was using at the meet might mean that your Berkeley DAC could make a big difference...but the earlier version of the 2A3 made me just try the production Super 7 (I wanted a sneak peek at the amp I already had on order).
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Re: REVIEW: Eddie Current Super 7
« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2012, 06:34:31 PM »

Yeah.  Re your comment on Berkeley vs Moth DAC, the more I experiment with gear, the more I'm realizing that headphones can only extract a limited amount of advantage that higher quality gear can provide.  The thing that's bugging me the most since using the Realiser is hearing significantly limited depth and extension from headphones.  I'm seeing now why speaker guys usually can't get that excited about headphones.  Some music sounds nice with headphones regardless, but a lot of other stuff (especially drums and bass) are sounding really artificially flattened, and it's been bugging me quite a bit.  Makes me want to try the BA again with the EML 300Bs, but the rig is a bit too rich for my blood at this time.

I was disappointed by the 2A3.  The EC table had a HD600 hooked up, and the S7 was much more impactful and articulate.  The 2A3 sounded comparatively fuzzy and unfocused.  From memory, the BA has the impact of the S7, but also provides better clarity.
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Re: REVIEW: Eddie Current Super 7
« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2012, 05:03:00 AM »

Yeah.  Re your comment on Berkeley vs Moth DAC, the more I experiment with gear, the more I'm realizing that headphones can only extract a limited amount of advantage that higher quality gear can provide.  The thing that's bugging me the most since using the Realiser is hearing significantly limited depth and extension from headphones.  I'm seeing now why speaker guys usually can't get that excited about headphones.  Some music sounds nice with headphones regardless, but a lot of other stuff (especially drums and bass) are sounding really artificially flattened, and it's been bugging me quite a bit.  Makes me want to try the BA again with the EML 300Bs, but the rig is a bit too rich for my blood at this time.

I was disappointed by the 2A3.  The EC table had a HD600 hooked up, and the S7 was much more impactful and articulate.  The 2A3 sounded comparatively fuzzy and unfocused.  From memory, the BA has the impact of the S7, but also provides better clarity.


At the time, the BA with 300B and PWD was just too much magic for me to handle.  That mini-meet will forever haunt us.  I do feel myself pulled more to that sound again...it might be because I got rid of just about everything and do not have any more Grados.  I would love it if purrin would bring some 300B for the BA if that is even possible to run in it anymore or if he will still have the amp.  That was a hypnotizing combo!


I'm testing Muse on my system to see if it might pass your tests, Elysian.  Enjoying the S7 with 6 very cheap output tubes and one expensive driver right now.
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Re: REVIEW: Eddie Current Super 7
« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2012, 05:05:43 AM »

Yup, I can still run the EMLs. Mini-meet before the big meet.
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Re: REVIEW: Eddie Current Super 7
« Reply #34 on: June 28, 2012, 08:07:59 PM »

Have you had a chance to try Sophia Royal Princesses or Psvane/Shugang Black Treasures with your BA, purrin?

My gut tells me the EMLs will be better for speed, bass, and depth, but I've been curious about the Royal Princesses for awhile, build quality issues and all.

Too bad you missed the $3100 BA that was up on the forums back around April, CEE TEE.  That seemed like a good deal.  If you have no interest in orthos, the BA is the nicest dynamic amp I've heard.  It was definitely better than the LF, and the Apex Pinnacle was technically impressive but not that musical for me.

The funny thing is how colored and distorted can sometimes sound more musical.  If I wasn't trying to extract every bit of detail possible, I'd go back to my NOS Sylvanias.  It'd be interesting if you could find someone with 6 Sophia Electric 6SN7s to try with your S7, though I've heard a few people accuse Sophia of using a tube design that's very similar to Shuguang.
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Re: REVIEW: Eddie Current Super 7
« Reply #35 on: June 28, 2012, 08:15:43 PM »

Heard both. Royal are too smooth sounding. Psvane was OK. Honestly I'd get a pair stock EH Plats for $300. The vintage PX25s I'm using have by far the most clarity.
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Re: REVIEW: Eddie Current Super 7
« Reply #36 on: June 28, 2012, 08:44:21 PM »

Just found out that Grant Fidelity is selling WE replica 300Bs now.  Lots of contention on how authentic they are, but I have not been able to find a real review yet.  I'm a bit behind the curve, as I'm just updating myself on the latest tube release information.

Have you or anyone else run across these in the wild?  On a related note, I'd definitely be interested in hearing the Psvane CV181-T in CEE TEE's amp, with the 300hr+ burn-in.  I just saw that Psvane has released a new MK2 of the 6CA7-T, which I'm more inclined to try out in the BHSE than the Genalex, as the Genalex doesn't seem like much of an improvement on the stock Mullards.
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Re: REVIEW: Eddie Current Super 7
« Reply #37 on: July 02, 2012, 11:53:21 PM »

Wow, the HE-6 is ROCKING with CEE TEE's S7.  This is really really nice.  Forward and impactful, bass extension is deep and resonant (in a good way), and the sound is immediate and involving.  Vocals are clear and have that really nice 'right in front of you' sensation stats have.  Very difficult ambient tracks (with bass extending below 20hz) is giving that eerie, uneasy feeling that insufficient monitors just can't replicate.  There's also nice separation between everything without sounding nearly as artificial as the HD800s.  The HD800s are a difficult headphone for me, as I find them technically impressive but not engaging.  There's good depth to the images, and a good balance between separation vs. everything being so far apart (or weirdly placed) that it's distracting.  No particular element excels, but the composite is very compelling.

I need to spend a lot more time with this, and I haven't even put the Berkeley in yet (using gamma2).  This is the best I've ever heard the HE-6 with a headamp.  Fwiw, haven't heard the Dark Star yet.  This combination is a lot of fun.  Best of all, no muddiness or congestion :P

This is the most fun I've had with a dynamic setup in a long time.  I can't believe there wasn't a HE with the S7 at the Bay Area meet.  I'll follow-up with more after swapping DACs and spending more time, but I have a feeling CEE TEE won't give me a week with his amp anymore once he hears this :)
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Re: REVIEW: Eddie Current Super 7
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2012, 12:20:14 AM »

Glad you're having fun with it. Sounds like you found your combo.  ;)

You got me more intrigued in the HE-6 now. I haven't had a decent audition with one yet, other than about 10 minutes on the Liquid Fire at the Bay Area meet.

Are you using CEE TEE's HD800s? From my conversations with him, I have a feeling the 6K peak on mine and his are worse than others. There's a good deal of variation in those frequency charts from Sennheiser. Not sure how accurate they are, but supposedly they measure them over the course of several weeks? Anyway, I ordered my chart a couple of weeks ago just to see.
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Re: REVIEW: Eddie Current Super 7
« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2012, 01:20:22 AM »

Haha, well, I'm just putting the S7 through its paces after some conversations with CEE TEE :)  I did inquire about the S7 you bought, though ;) I'll be going a different route for my dynamic rig, but if I was looking at headamps, the S7 would now immediately enter my shortlist for driving the HE-6s.  CEE TEE is dropping by tomorrow to put it through its paces, and I think it could be even better with tube rolling.

I haven't had a chance to do a true A/B between the HE-500 and HE-6, but based on memory, when properly driven the HE-6 has better detail extraction, more resolving bass, and a clearer presentation.  Improperly amped, the HE-500 sounds better than the HE-6, but with the right amp, the HE-6 kicks sand in the LCD-3's face.  If you like the SR007 presentation, you'll probably like the HE-6.

I think CEE TEE mentioned you're in the area.  Would be happy to demo the HE-6, or loan them out once I'm done setting up the dynamic rig.

The S7+HD800 was nice but too polite for me.  The S7+HE-6 has that really nice forward and impactful presentation from a Woo with good tube rolling, but with better clarity and definition.  Swapping from the HD800 to the HE-6, it's like the S7 just rolled up its sleeves, swapped the khakis for jeans, and is ready to slam a few beers.
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