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Re: I can't do this school thing anymore
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2012, 01:49:07 PM »

Do kids not start off at the bottom anymore?  Do they get an executive corner office out of the womb these days?  I started at freaking Taco Bell at 14.  Odd that my first job used headphones.   

A lot of people here in Singapore(not sure about every else) wants to start at a manager's role after a degree these days. No one wants to start from the floor. I expect to start off from the floor though, given the nature of my (future)job.

Glad to see a fellow Singaporean here, and yeah somehow thats how I think shit is heading nowadays.  No one wants to start from the lowest rung and get their shit together. 

@Ader, honestly?  Take some time off - some of the suggestions like what RD mentioned in page 1 are true.  Get a nice hard kick in the pants working for a shitty job or travel to get different perspectives.  Biggest perspective change I had was interning in a different culture and work environment. 
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Re: I can't do this school thing anymore
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2012, 02:20:59 PM »

I was basically a manager for 4 years up until I quit last year because I was failing 2 classes.  Before that I was hooking up computers at the Board of Trade, but they had to let me go when the economy got all shitty since I was technically just some kid.  The later one had a lot of down time wherein I could play indie games and moderate a shitty forum I was on.
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Re: I can't do this school thing anymore
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2012, 06:32:22 PM »

Traditional college isn't for everyone. I hated LA college, as I felt like they wasted my time. Oh you start taking classes toward your major after two years of dicking around learning about goats. Oh ok, and so I just pay you tens of thousands of dollars then, to learn about goats. Lovely. The class I think I hated more than any other was a mandatory 1st year class that all the CIS kids had to take on how to use MS Word (I kid you not). The class was literally "find the most obscure, most buried sub, sub, sub, sub option that no one has ever used and the Word developers forgot was in there, and use that. Over and over.

Lots of colleges are little more than diploma mills anyway, and these days especially a large number of degrees qualify you to work in a bookstore or make coffee.

Does anyone else still have the "oh shit, I'm failing X class" dream? I'm over 10 years out of school already, and I still have that one every few months or so.
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Re: I can't do this school thing anymore
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2012, 06:45:15 PM »

I'm 25 years out of college and I still get the "oh shit, I didn't graduate but I pretended that I did" dream.
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Re: I can't do this school thing anymore
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2012, 06:48:23 PM »

In Québec child of non-rich parents usually do start off at the bottom, and they do it while studying before entering university. During my pre-uni college program I started off as a janitor at a drugstore (at the "legal" age of 16), and later on I did go to flipping burgers in a semi-fast food.
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Re: I can't do this school thing anymore
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2012, 11:19:51 PM »

Is the reason you're having trouble coming from emotional trauma of some kind or a more generalized/vague lack of motivation/direction/interest?

What do you want to do?  Are you working towards something?
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Re: I can't do this school thing anymore
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2012, 12:10:12 AM »

OP sounds like me 10 years ago. I flunked university and am constantly reminded of my "wasted potential". Working shit shovelling jobs for a few years compounded the regret. I never went back to make a proper fist of it though. I felt alienated by the whole system, where adherence to schedules and meeting requirements took precedence over intelligence and understanding. It's a bitter view and perhaps one used to condone the many distractions that conflicted with committing to tertiary studies.

Anyway, I'm now in a "respectable" government job (though tenure is unsecured) where every day is a challenge and the technical aspect of the work provides stimulation over the otherwise monotonous nature of the environment. It is soul crushing at times, especially when ingrained procedures and policies counteract the meaningful work that needs to be achieved. Other times it is very rewarding, as I'm in a position to help people in dire need. There is no stat or metric for these occasions, and most of the time they go unnoticed by managers. There is no monetary reward (though the pay itself is quite adequate), just the knowledge that you've done right by someone else.

Many of my friends, who submitted to the same distractions as we failed course after course persevered to walk away years later with this or that degree. Many are content with that achievement, working menial jobs that get them to the weekend when their lives are lived.

Not sure what the OP can glean from this post. I'm not one to take the bull by the horns to better my social standing and be considered successful by others. Flying under the radar and deriving satisfaction from small moments is enough for me. Fuck the rat race and social norms.
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Re: I can't do this school thing anymore
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2012, 01:16:07 AM »

Anyway, I'm now in a "respectable" government job (though tenure is unsecured) where every day is a challenge and the technical aspect of the work provides stimulation over the otherwise monotonous nature of the environment. It is soul crushing at times, especially when ingrained procedures and policies counteract the meaningful work that needs to be achieved. Other times it is very rewarding, as I'm in a position to help people in dire need. There is no stat or metric for these occasions, and most of the time they go unnoticed by managers. There is no monetary reward (though the pay itself is quite adequate), just the knowledge that you've done right by someone else.

100% agree. An education may help to avoid a monotonous, underpaid, uninteresting, and soul crushing job. That in itself is a motivator. But I also believe that the sense of being useful is a powerful motivator. One needs to figure out what one likes and is good at, find a way to apply it to better serve, and further oneself into being better at it. A university, or an education in general, is not the ultimate solution to fulfill our full potential. But IME it certainly helps. One just needs to figure out how to overcome the hurdles. Figuring this out may also prove useful later.
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Re: I can't do this school thing anymore
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2012, 01:50:08 AM »

Traditional college isn't for everyone. I hated LA college, as I felt like they wasted my time. Oh you start taking classes toward your major after two years of dicking around learning about goats. Oh ok, and so I just pay you tens of thousands of dollars then, to learn about goats. Lovely. The class I think I hated more than any other was a mandatory 1st year class that all the CIS kids had to take on how to use MS Word (I kid you not). The class was literally "find the most obscure, most buried sub, sub, sub, sub option that no one has ever used and the Word developers forgot was in there, and use that. Over and over.

Lots of colleges are little more than diploma mills anyway, and these days especially a large number of degrees qualify you to work in a bookstore or make coffee.

Does anyone else still have the "oh shit, I'm failing X class" dream? I'm over 10 years out of school already, and I still have that one every few months or so.

I've had the "OMG, I failed the fucking bar exam" dream a couple of times, but not for a while.

I was ridiculously fortunate to more or less stumble into something that I really like doing (well, most of the time) and for which clients are willing to pay.
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Re: I can't do this school thing anymore
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2012, 03:25:03 AM »

Is the reason you're having trouble coming from emotional trauma of some kind or a more generalized/vague lack of motivation/direction/interest?

What do you want to do?  Are you working towards something?

(I would like to just, get paid for free. Lol just kidding [actually I do, but it would be against my ideals], I'll return to be a janitor, or anything else really)

(Not at all, I just feel like I'm back to square one. I used to be excellent, now I'm the shittiest I have ever been of my life, but my ego unhurt and physically I'm more healthy than ever)


I don't think. I liked to work, even at the restaurant, though I preferred being an early morning janitor listening to his music.

I hope that it won't generalize to stuff other than school, or become a "mental disorder". I tried everything I wanted at school (and I consider myself extremely lucky to be able to), but now I feel sedated by it, I sleep and eat 16 hours a day, I procrastinate without feeling guilty by staring at walls or curled onto my bed, it has become ridiculous and I have never been so low, which is why I'm not trying another program again.

Anyway I'm getting better already. I have been thinking of stuff I have been wanting for so long to do and learn, play Diablo II LoD again, compose video game music (or at least try to), and many, many other projects that I have had the idea of while studying but simply could not do, and also resume from where I left off when I entered uni in 2008.


The Stax SR-009 will have to wait a few years so that I get back up and running... I have tons of student loans to pay back, lol, and I don't want to sell my current, treasured headphones.


OP sounds like me 10 years ago. I flunked university and am constantly reminded of my "wasted potential". Working shit shovelling jobs for a few years compounded the regret. I never went back to make a proper fist of it though. I felt alienated by the whole system, where adherence to schedules and meeting requirements took precedence over intelligence and understanding. It's a bitter view and perhaps one used to condone the many distractions that conflicted with committing to tertiary studies.

I always was slower than the others because I did not want to follow the normal curriculum. When I was at it I managed to figure out stuff that was out of reach for all of the others... but my school or the type of program I was in never gave me points for that kind of effort I did for myself.
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