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Can X amp drive Y Headphones?
« on: November 19, 2012, 03:26:53 AM »

I've noticed there's a lot of confusion between things like impedance and sensitivity, or current and voltage.  To compound matters, whenever someone asks "will X headphone amp drive Y", there is traditionally a lot of misinformation and muddlement that goes on that eventually causes the OP to leave audiophilia for a more pleasant hobby, such as recreational self-waterboarding. 


Here's an article written by Pete Millett that clears this up in a pretty simple manner.  For those averse to doing the math, there's even a handy downloadable spreadsheet at the end.


http://www.apexhifi.com/specs.html


Please note that this does not mean that all watts are created equal and that the biggest compensators monoblocks possible are automatically the best solution for your inefficient headphones.
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Re: Can X amp drive Y Headphones?
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2012, 04:02:48 AM »

nice article, and yes, the spreadsheet is slick.  also, there's an error: the K701 are rated at 105dB/V = 93dB/mW.  i think Pete forgot to add the asterisk. 
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Re: Can X amp drive Y Headphones?
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2012, 07:57:03 AM »

Yeah!

Been using that spreadsheet for awhile now.  Its permanently on my desktop!! lol
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Re: Can X amp drive Y Headphones?
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2012, 02:12:13 PM »

I have written an article on this subject as well a while ago:
It can be downloaded here:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?jdpaj1r17x1sos5

It was a spin-off/addition to this one:
This is about impedances.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?82kf0r5kdckdcer
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Re: Can X amp drive Y Headphones?
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2012, 03:36:33 PM »

I have written an article on this subject as well a while ago:
It can be downloaded here:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?jdpaj1r17x1sos5

It was a spin-off/addition to this one:
This is about impedances.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?82kf0r5kdckdcer

karma points for great articles!  your balanced treatment of amplifier output impedance and why increasing output impedance can be desirable for both sonics and fail stop measures is refreshing.  i did this when i had Beyers and am enjoying the K702/K271 with a 100R dongle.  no, zero amplifier output impedance is not necessary for accurate reproduction and may be even be counterproductive in achieving this and/or a neutral balance.   :)p4
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Re: Can X amp drive Y Headphones?
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2012, 09:30:09 AM »

The near zero impedance is mainly to do with driver damping, Ive linked in a couple of artcles, a lot of amp manufacturers are aiming for as close to zero as possible.

http://nwavguy.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/headphone-amp-impedance.html

http://www.benchmarkmedia.com/discuss/feedback/newsletter/2011/12/2/0-ohm-headphone-amplifier-sonic-advantages-low-impedance-headphone-amp
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Re: Can X amp drive Y Headphones?
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2012, 10:17:02 AM »

I think a lot of peopleeverybody here knows that, however there are just some earphones that are designed with higher impedance outputs in mind or get more accurate with higher impedances. This is explained in solderdudes article about impedance. This is also explained here

http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,90.0.html
« Last Edit: November 21, 2012, 10:22:09 AM by firev1 »
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Re: Can X amp drive Y Headphones?
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2012, 12:38:53 PM »

nwavguys blog also covers the 1/8 rule
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Re: Can X amp drive Y Headphones?
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2012, 03:31:44 PM »

Rules are there to be broken  :)p13
Especially when they do not apply....   :)p8

NwAvGuy's theories are not all sacred.
Don't get me wrong, I concur with a LOT he has said in the past about electronics.
Also a big part of the perception thing he gladly quotes.
Doesn't make him right about everything (100%) he says though.

He has a point for certain headphones.
Certainly all in-ears because of their low and wildly varying impedances in crucial parts of the audible spectrum, but a LOT of headphones simply do NOT need electrical damping.

For loudspeakers (woofers, mainly) it is a different matter.
Secretly add the resistance of the low pass filter coils into the mix and notice the relevance of extreme damping factors there also. ;)



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Re: Can X amp drive Y Headphones?
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2012, 11:41:57 PM »

I think you meant balanced armature IEMs or multi-driver designs. Single dynamic driver IEMs are flatter in the impedance than almost all headphones.


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