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The Frank Sinatra Capitol Catalog...audiophile notes...
« on: August 24, 2012, 05:04:32 PM »

 
The Sad Story of Sinatra’s Capitol Catalog
This is meant to be a guide for those people interested in the current crop of Sinatra's Capitol releases and their sound quality. I will slowly update this over time to make it as comprehensive as possible.


The rare Japanese CD’s:
The are nearly impossible to find today. They are easy to spot as the spine is all Japanese characters. Very little is known about these releases and their actual mastering. From the one copy I own, it sounds like a straight, flat transfer of the master tape.
Capitol 1st Issues
Capitol finally decided to re-issue the Sinatra Catalog. These CD re-issues were all mastered by Larry Walsh and were done from the original master tapes and some were even remixed from the original multi-track session tapes.
Awesome? Not quite.  Larry Walsh made the mistake of following the notes on the boxes for the LP cutting masters and the LP cutting masters had notes for added echo. As a result, Mr. Walsh added echo to recordings which didn’t need it.
The Second Capitol Issues
The second re-issues were done by Bob Norberg. AVOID THEM! Every bad thing that can be done to a historic recording was done to the Sinatra Catalog by Bob “no-noise” Norberg. You can recognize these by the “Entertainer of the Century” branding on the spine. AVOID THEM LIKE THE PLAGUE!
The British Box (Alan Dell)
The best of a bad lot. This is the sure shot way to get almost the complete Capitol Catalog in one swift move with decent sound quality to boot!
All of these albums are sourced from the original master tapes except for one (Songs For Swingin’ Lovers) which is direct copy of the Walsh master (complete with added echo!). Another thing to note is that “Come Dance With Me” is missing the first 2 seconds of the second track.
Overall this set is great. The packaging might not be impressive but it seems EMI actually tried to do a decent job with this release.
The DCC Releases
The DCC releases are done as perfect as can be. Up until 2009, you could find these releases for $25 each. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!
The MFSL LP Releases
MFSL released the Sinatra Box set in a silver colored box. This was meant to be a definitive re-release but fell fall short. Some of the recordings were pulled from the wrong tapes.
The MFSL CD Releases
The first MFSL Gold CD was Songs For Swingin’ Lovers. Unfortunately, this release was pulled from the wrong tapes and contains echo which should not be present on the recording. The EQ is also off.


Other Releases

The sad fact of it all…
The entire Frank Sinatra Capitol Records Catalog needs a re-working. They need to go back to the original session tapes and remix the stereo versions with NO echo and remaster and release the mono versions as well. Analogue Productions did an amazing job with some Nat "King" Cole SACD releases. They should do the same with Sinatra. It CAN be done but until someone (Chad Kassem....are you there?! You're our only hope!!!) takes the initiative, we'll all be left wishing we had something better.

THE DETAILS!!

1. Songs For Young Lovers (Reply #16)
« Last Edit: September 08, 2012, 03:23:52 PM by LFF »
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Re: The Frank Sinatra Capitol Catalog...audiophile notes...
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2012, 05:40:48 PM »

What an awesome post. Well, a SAD post, but awesome work.

Thanks, LFF.
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Re: The Frank Sinatra Capitol Catalog...audiophile notes...
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2012, 12:17:28 AM »

Many thanks Luis!

I have the british box and to my untrained ears they indeed sound good, better than the MSFL LP.
How many DCC (Gold?) are there?
And if you think that Bob Norberg is bad, how would you rate Peter "No noise, Brickwalled, bass and treble boosted" Mew?! >:(
That guy butchered so many songs ( :'() he should be nominated to the wall of shame!
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Re: The Frank Sinatra Capitol Catalog...audiophile notes...
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2012, 12:51:51 AM »

It's only a barebones post.

I'll add more meat to the bones as I get more time.  :)p2
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Re: The Frank Sinatra Capitol Catalog...audiophile notes...
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2012, 03:11:59 AM »

I hate Frank Sinatra. 

I don't listen to the words of songs. I mostly listen to the sound.

Mostly I listen to all sorts of weird shit like Afghani rap, gypsy music; Argentina contemporary electronic tango.

But when I hear Sinatra, I HAVE to listen to the words.  They're not songs ... they're stories.

The guy's a slimy hood, but he compels you to follow down his road.

I can't think of any song smith who so vividly spins his yarn that it become something so different than a song.

Every tune's a tail, and you're along for the ride.

Fucking amazing shit.

The dirtbag has me hoodwinked.

I fail to escape.

Tell me a story, Frank.
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Re: The Frank Sinatra Capitol Catalog...audiophile notes...
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2012, 06:01:40 AM »

Campaign against bad recordings!
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Re: The Frank Sinatra Capitol Catalog...audiophile notes...
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2012, 06:53:40 AM »

Waiting for more meat !
Come on Luis, even your HF posts are more substantial. :)p2
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Re: The Frank Sinatra Capitol Catalog...audiophile notes...
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2012, 04:01:25 PM »

Very informative, though I'm not much of a Sinatra guy. It's amazing how often the guys at MFSL completely blow it. AP and Music Matters have a much better track record. My DCC Golds from the '90s generally sound pretty good, but they are usually beaten by AP SACDs or LPs. SHMs and XRCDs are a bit of a crap shoot.

I'm curious, what do you think is the definitive "A Love Supreme"?
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Re: The Frank Sinatra Capitol Catalog...audiophile notes...
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2012, 04:15:07 PM »

 popcorn  :)p8
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Re: The Frank Sinatra Capitol Catalog...audiophile notes...
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2012, 10:13:20 PM »


But when I hear Sinatra, I HAVE to listen to the words.  They're not songs ... they're stories.


Johnny Cash has that affect on me  :)p6
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