Topic: Brief Impressions of a Headroom treasure chest (Read 7261 times)

Questhate · « **Reply #50 on:** August 17, 2012, 05:55:34 PM »

Quote from: TMRaven on August 17, 2012, 05:05:39 PM

How does a headphone's driver affect dynamic range?

I may causing more confusion by using that term, but I'm not referring to the mastering of the recording.

TMRaven · « **Reply #51 on:** August 17, 2012, 06:34:06 PM »

I'm referring to dynamic range in general-- the only dynamic range there is. The ability to go from the quietist to the loudest. I don't see how anything other than the recording's dynamic range, enough damping to ensure the blackest background, and the amp itself would affect that.

The comment about more damping taking away dynamic range is puzzling, I think if anything more damping would help lower the noise floor on a planar magnetic that would otherwise be badly affected by the wall of magnets that surround the diaphragm.

I know it's been brought up before, but I'll state it again. Could some people be mistaking added impact on drums etc for more 5khz on the HD800 compared to the LCD2? I've listened to the HD800 before and there's no question it's rather aggressive in that area. 5khz helps bring the slap on lots of drum hits, but I don't consider that to be a bigger bass impact. I don't see how HD800 would have a larger bass impact than the LCD-2 either, it moves way less air.

n3rdling · « **Reply #52 on:** August 17, 2012, 06:37:57 PM »

I hear the opposite. To me the LCD2 has more bass slam and bass quantity than the HD800 but the HD800 has much better bass texture. The LCDs have too much slam for me, and the one note bass really annoys me, whereas the bass on the HD800 is my favorite quality of that HP.

Aravind · « **Reply #53 on:** August 17, 2012, 06:46:46 PM »

Quote from: Questhate on August 17, 2012, 05:02:47 PM

RE: HD800 vs LCD-2 bass...

I find the LCD does do bass texture a bit better but the HD800 is ahead in impact while having less quantity. It has to do with the LCD's relatively limited dynamic range that gives that perception that the bass doesn't quite slam hard enough (while still having good texture and quantity). The whole frequency range seems stacked on top of each other occupying a smaller amount of space so when the bass hits, it doesn't seem removed enough from the mids. The HD800 has more dynamic range so the bass "jumps" out of the soundscape more. This gives me the impression of more slam.

Kinda hard to explain, but I had similar thoughts about the HFI580 after reading on the forums that it had the best bass in its class.

i'm confused.. by stacking of frequency range do you mean lesser frequency extension or congested soundstage causing poor definition of bass, with leak into the mids?....less bass impact but more quantity, are lcds comparatively flabby/bloated...

Quote from: n3rdling on August 17, 2012, 06:37:57 PM

I hear the opposite. To me the LCD2 has more bass slam and bass quantity than the HD800 but the HD800 has much better bass texture. The LCDs have too much slam for me, and the one note bass really annoys me, whereas the bass on the HD800 is my favorite quality of that HP.

few posts above purrin quoted tyll saying hd800 has one note bass...

..are people hearing differently or..are the word definitions different? texture/onenote?

Marvey · « **Reply #54 on:** August 17, 2012, 07:08:35 PM »

It's a matter of definitions and where in the bass. Sub or low bass? Mid bass? High bass?

I know what Tyll's meant when he said the HD800 bass can sound one note. I also know what others mean when they say the HD800 has more texture.

The HD800 has more "smack" and "texture" to bass instruments because the HD800 has a little mid-bass emphasis and its harmonics (which comprise much of the attack) of a bass drum or plucked bass string aren't as shelved as on the LCD2/3. In essence, a lot of the texture or higher harmonics of bass instruments are masked on the LCD2/3.

The LCD2/3 can appear to have more texture when listening to genres like electronica where bass notes tend to be lower in the range with less harmonic complexity because its artificially generated. It's actually easier to make out the pitch of pure bass tones on the LCD2/3.

Look at D2 and D3 of the HD graph for the HD800. Overall bass distortion figures are darn good for the HD800 < 1%, but D3 does seem kind of high. I'll be getting an LCD2 for measurement soon and will produce an equivalent HD graph. It should be interesting. I'm pretty sure the LCD2 bass distortion characteristics will be quite different.

gurubhai · « **Reply #55 on:** August 17, 2012, 07:10:43 PM »

Quote from: TMRaven on August 17, 2012, 06:34:06 PM

The comment about more damping taking away dynamic range is puzzling, I think if anything more damping would help lower the noise floor on a planar magnetic that would otherwise be badly affected by the wall of magnets that surround the diaphragm.

I am talking about over-damping. Orthos tend to improve with damping till a certain point, after which it is downhill.
Too much damping would restrict driver movement which would manifest initially as loss of most subtle cues & by corollary limits the dynamic range.
The details would also start getting increasingly smeared.

Marvey · « **Reply #56 on:** August 17, 2012, 07:15:05 PM »

Yup. I wish Audeze had made the driver good-to-go with less damping. The naked LCD2/3 driver is bassy like mad. I think I have measurements of the undamped LCD2 driver somewhere...

gurubhai · « **Reply #57 on:** August 17, 2012, 07:20:01 PM »

If you can find them, please post them.Helps us nutty modders correlate.

Marvey · « **Reply #58 on:** August 17, 2012, 07:35:41 PM »

Remind me again in a few weeks. Got a big meet to plan...

Aravind · « **Reply #59 on:** August 17, 2012, 07:55:59 PM »

thats an interesting explanation..thanks purrin..
so mid bass hump after-all is good atleast to bring out bass texture...flat is not always the best

going by distortion figures, he400 bass distortion is lower than that of hd800..does it have the best bass of the lot?

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