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Author Topic: K550 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot Measurements  (Read 22585 times)

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Re: K550 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot Measurements
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2012, 01:42:14 AM »

It is possible design changes?
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Re: K550 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot Measurements
« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2012, 01:50:45 AM »

Unless you're talking about the hole the dildo goes into, there's a depression but not a hole from what I remember though I could be wrong it's been a while.  Seal your lips around the dildo, blow it and see if any air leaks out. 
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Re: K550 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot Measurements
« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2012, 01:55:46 AM »

Seal your lips around the dildo, blow it and see if any air leaks out.

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Re: K550 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot Measurements
« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2012, 02:21:19 AM »

Here's the infamous driver dildo:

(looking at this port, I am really glad AKG doesn't make condoms)

And here is the same dildo with damping:


Overall, it seems like AKG might indeed have introduced some design changes in newer batches of these headphones.
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Re: K550 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot Measurements
« Reply #44 on: November 08, 2012, 02:35:39 AM »

Ahh, yes now I remember.  If you look in the back of the cup there's another rubber piece that, AFAI can tell seals with this hole when it's all pressed into place, so it's not actually a vent.  Might be one of those situations where the designers left room for tweaking and they wound up sealing it. 

It doesn't really matter though either way.  Either damp the dildo, or get rid of it and damp the cup.  Your method is probably easier but I bet damping the cups gives you bigger soundstage. 

In the end, you still have a flawed headphone. 
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Re: K550 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot Measurements
« Reply #45 on: November 08, 2012, 03:18:15 AM »

Hmm, after some closer inspection, it seems that you are right, although I can't really tell if the vent is completely sealed or not. Looking solely at the inside of the cup, there seems to be a little space left between the dildo and the enclosure, and there is also actually a hole in the enclosure right beneath this vent. How much any of this actually affects the sound, I have no idea.
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Re: K550 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot Measurements
« Reply #46 on: November 08, 2012, 04:28:18 AM »

I do wonder if you have a more tolerable sounding version. RD had two K550s. One was nastier than the other. The one he had modded was nastier. (And I'm betting if he had modded the less nasty one, it would have yielded some decent results.)  Unfortunately we will never know because a few idiots at HF destroyed RD's pioneering spirit by calling him a retard, not once, but several times in that thread.  Both of us then responded by proceeded to post elephant shitting pix. Which then resulted in a train-wreck. And Curra having to clean up the aisle. And the thread being locked.

So it's entirely possible that your experience was much more pleasant than ours. I had heard sayings that there were some changes, but hadn't seen or heard anything to better substantiate such rumors.

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Re: K550 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot Measurements
« Reply #47 on: November 08, 2012, 04:36:54 AM »

Maybe CEE TEE can chime in with his thoughts on his replacement pair vs his first one.  He loaned me his K550 and I modded them without really asking (he did say I could open them) so I felt bad and got him a replacement unit which wound up sounding better to me.  I believe he agrees. 
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Re: K550 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot Measurements
« Reply #48 on: November 08, 2012, 09:16:46 AM »

I think this illustrates how the average audiophile does not really know what to do when faced with measurements. In the end, no matter how a headphone measures, if you like the way it sounds, that should really be enough for you. All ears are different (and with circumaural headphones like these, the shape of our earlobes certainly has a larger effect on the sound than with supraaurals and IEMs, not to mention this particular headphone's well documented fit issues) and our hearing and sensitivity to glare in certain bands also varies from person to person. It is entirely possible that I am one of the lucky few with an AKG-certified head and ear shape and this could also account for why I found the K550 to be more pleasant sounding than you lot...

With sound, placebo and bias plays such a huge role - upon seeing a graph that indicates problems with the sound of the K550, it is extremely easy to be biased to start looking for this issue and concentrating on it in our brain. All of a sudden, this perfectly awesome headphone that you've been enjoying for a few months becomes unlistenable because all that we do is look for this issue that has been indicated by a visual graph, ie. the McGurk effect. Most people don't think about these things, don't analyse them and aren't able to step back and realise that measurements are imperfect and that the issue that affects some people might not effect them. After all, they have golden ears and all of a sudden, their self-esteem is threatened by these black magic scientific graphs. This is why audiophiles will then lash out and call people who are brave enough to post their own opinions based on measurements retards. Oh well, such is the nature of this hobby. In the end, I feel that measurements are a very useful, if imperfect, tool for an objective comparison of headphones but how much of this actually translates into listening pleasure is very debatable and this is the point - measurements give some fodder for a (hopefully) constructive conversation about headphones that has the potential of revealing flaws in certain headphone designs - certainly a positive thing for headphone research in general. But yeah, I can see how posting fairly controversial opinions about the K550 (controversial since a significant amount of owners really do enjoy this headphone) resulted in a bunch of butthurt people lashing out :)
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Re: K550 Frequency Response and CSD Waterfall Plot Measurements
« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2012, 01:27:15 AM »

Definitely found the first pair of K550 to have a little annoying peak that did bother me on some recordings.
 
The second pair is certainly better and I'll absolutely keep them.
 
They didn't sound good out of Super 7 (will try the better pair again sometime) but they really do well straight out of the iPhone or any small amp.
 
The first pair I wasn't entirely sure I would keep forever but the second pair is great. 
 
I believe in product variation.  If you get an annoying pair and need closed phones, I would say "be careful" and mod 'em (or sell 'em)!
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