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Re: JPS Labs Abyss Headphone Impressions - The Real Deal Hands On Experience
« Reply #180 on: March 12, 2014, 08:17:41 AM »

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Re: JPS Labs Abyss Headphone Impressions - The Real Deal Hands On Experience
« Reply #182 on: March 16, 2014, 11:29:02 PM »

Was totally busy and knackered after the Bay Area Meet.  Marv was kind enough to set up a whole Abyss rig with Mjolnir and Reference 7 so I could get a chance to hear them late that Sunday night.  Thanks, Marv!  I thought they were nice tonally and with good physical weight to the sound.  But something in the upper bass was <just> a bit warm/bloomy and nipping at the heels of the low mids/vocals.  Not spilling over, but enough to notice and think that would be something I'd have to live with. (Bit smoother transition there would be nice.)  I wondered how they would sound on my Balancing Act set-up. 

So Marv left them with me and said to let the Bay Area hear them for a bit.  Since then, I think it might have been the Mjolnir interacting with the Abyss for that upper bass to low mid transition "thing" I was hearing.  I don't notice the same thing while using two other rigs.

Second rig I heard them on, I compared them with HD800 (unmodded) using Lavry DA10 > BA with AD-1 output tubes.  The difference between HD800 and Abyss was HUGE for me.  HD800 seemed "collapsed" in weight/richness/physicality/size of stage.  Too thin.  Using Norah Jones "Come Away With Me", the bass was just so thick and physical and real on the Abyss in comparison. 

Made me worry that my set-up might be lacking too. So I am listening to them today on my PWD (FW 2.4.3) > BA with PX-4 > modded HD800.

Luckily, my BA/HD800 setup is richer right now than the other BA set-up that I heard. My rig is a little thicker, richer, more 3-dimensional- but HD800 are still not as physical as the Abyss.  The bass is tighter/cleaner on the HD800 but also "smaller" and staying more in the center of my head.  In contrast, the Abyss shakes the whole room like a bass cabinet actually can.  What's more important?  The HD800 seems a bit cleaner and smoother/more elegant/resolving to me.  Clean sound (and lack of reflections) so that I don't have to strain to hear the mids is one of the things I love most about headphones.  Tonality is overall a bit brighter and weight of the sound lighter on the HD800.  I've got HD800 running in a way that I love them.  The Abyss do some things better though...

Seems like the width of the Abyss stage is actually bigger, with more "fleshed out" and round/physical-sounding instruments.  Which leads me to agree that they are more speaker-like. More like listening in a room or a place. To speakers or amplified instruments, especially.  Bass seems almost a little bit too much or boomy in comparison with HD800 at times but also pretty natural.  The way the Abyss move air is more palpable and I "feel" the music more as I hear it.  The bass on the Abyss can hold a low "floor" to songs like Lyle Lovett's "Flyin' Shoes" that I do hear on big Dunntech Sovereigns but have not heard/felt on headphones before.

Abyss, a little less smooth/tight/fast but resolving in another way- the physicality of the instruments can help me place them better at times and create layers that way.  Abyss can seem wider with these layers but not as much front to back or up/down.  The HD800 can seem to present as a sphere and seem to have a big space to wander around in but I think it sounds more like a big space and the Abyss feels more like a real space.

What doesn't quite help with the Abyss sense of space for me is the air/treble compared to the HD800.  The treble extension on the HD800 just seems much greater to me and I was surprised to see the Abyss graphs and that there was not more of a roll-off from 10-15kHz+.  The treble and upper-mids peaks seem controlled for me but I would like a little more air.  (When Chesky walks up and whispers in the ear, the HD800 win that one on realism.)

Nice with regards to sibilance, the Abyss seem to just be missing a <slight> bit in the mids somewhere that can make me think of a low/nasal resonance.  It doesn't fit my idea of "honky" or "veiled" or "wonky" so I can't use those words. Just <slightly> resonant on vocals once in a while?
 
Tonality surprisingly good, bass capability and physicality are so good.  These would be a nice complement to my HD800 and a "fun" pair.  I don't have to ditch the HD800 yet though...             
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Re: JPS Labs Abyss Headphone Impressions - The Real Deal Hands On Experience
« Reply #183 on: March 16, 2014, 11:53:48 PM »

Matches what I hear mostly. Still has the typical headphone soundstage issues I always harp on though. The Abyss feels planted, but lacks up top and has very slight nasal sound.
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Re: JPS Labs Abyss Headphone Impressions - The Real Deal Hands On Experience
« Reply #184 on: March 22, 2014, 05:41:14 AM »

Just to follow up... Now that I've gotten "the amp" in, I've actually reversed some of the mods (the felt piece). There's the definitely the possibility that I may end up going back to stock.
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Re: JPS Labs Abyss Headphone Impressions - The Real Deal Hands On Experience
« Reply #185 on: March 22, 2014, 12:39:14 PM »

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Just to follow up... Now that I've gotten "the amp" in, I've actually reversed some of the mods (the felt piece). There's the definitely the possibility that I may end up going back to stock.
You can try blu tack instead, it works wonderfull with most iso I tried. Can even emulate that ""fazor" thing if there is space
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I had a solid few hours trying these Abyss cans out with a Cavalli LAu at a mate's house the other day, along with some other high-end cans by Stax, Audeze, Fostex and Sennheiser, plus an assortment of amps and DACS (and cables I would never pay for with my own money). Yes, they're extremely ugly, like something those burly "outlaws" on Discovery biker build-off would weld together from plumbing material in their sheds. They do sound very good with the LAu, however. Very, very good.

Thing is, they weren't envelope pushing good to my ears. Again, I stress, to my ears - In terms of clarity, resolution and overall imaging, they were handily spanked by the Stax 009 + Woo Audio WES at the meet-up. Same could be said for a Senn HD800 I tried there (though I can't recall the model of amp it was paired with). In terms of pure musicality/ euphonia, the LCD3 + Alo Studio Six I tried bested them for the genres I listen to, and I'm not even a fan of the Audeze sound in general. The Fostex TH-900 (yes, a closed can ... gasp) + GS-X MK2, to my mind, remains the most entertaining combo out of all the high-end rigs I've tried, easily besting the Abyss + LAu and LCD3 + Alo Six in terms of "high from music" moments and presentation.No other combo makes me want to bounce and bob around as much. I don't really care if the Fostex's get slagged off by "true audiophiles" for being too hi-fi sounding or whatever. Obviously there's some bias here if you look at the equipment listed in my profile, but it's equipment I bought after comparing them with everything available in the market, so it's somewhat justified, in my mind.

Back to the Abyss. Yes, they're definitely high-end headphile cans. Their biggest selling point is their speed, to my ears. But considering what I've tried, what I've owned in the past and what I currently own, along with my musical preferences; the most I'd expect to pay for these would be LCD2 + aftermarket cable money - or about $1500 max to be precise, but even that feels overpriced considering the increased enjoyment I get from a TH-900, which is also about $1500 (cheaper than that where I live, actually). If I were in a forgiving/generous mood, I might strongly consider the Abyss at any price below $2000, but considering their current market price (plus the price of a Cavalli LAu), no way. I'd rather save for a SR009 and upgrades to my WES for that money.

Disclaimer; I don't consider myself an audiophile. I concentrate on enjoyment first and foremost, and how much a can/dac/amp combo entertains me with the genres of music I listen to (electro, house, lounge, math/post rock, acid jazz, fusion, instrumental hip-hop, vintage pop). I don't bother with graphs and charts and audiophile vocabulary. I'd rather share a beer and hang out with "lowest common denominator" peasants that own direct drive Technics 1200s than elitist audiophiles with their whatever-flavour-of-the-month designer brand turntables. Judge my utilitarian/simpleton impressions as you see fit. It's the view of the common uneducated bloke, for the most part.

Cheers.
may i add to ask whether any of the following you compared to gs-x and cavali to match the abyss 1266 ?
 
 Prelude3.1-SE 
 
Bakoon - HPA-21 Headphone Amplifier
 
AudioValve RKV Headphone Tubes Amplifier
 
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Krell KSA-5 Headphone Amplifier

 Fostex TH-900 ) + GS-X MK2 combination makes you the best loy in music ,the abyss and cavalli next best and still best in resolution ?
the hd800 or the abyss which one you prefer ?
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