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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2015, 01:18:39 AM »

I think it's disrespectful to educators and law enforcement to come to conclusions too soon. They have a difficult job. Sometimes a split-second decision could result in lives saved. And again, keep in mind news-media distortion.

I look at the dry facts and think about the kid. What if you brought something to school that looked strange and people panicked for no reason?

Fuck the media, think about the kid. He only wanted to show his work. I am done. This situation disgusts me on a high personal level...
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2015, 01:23:00 AM »

None of us were there. We don't have any the facts other than the "facts" delivered to us by the media.

Obviously none of you guys have kids in schools, have dealt with security procedures at schools (or anywhere else which requires such procedures), have friends who work in law enforcement, or have experienced media distort events so they could sell papers.

If my boy did that, even if the boards were in a separate pencil case, he'd get a spanking from me, and a long interrogation on "WTF were you thinking."


Everyone in the world thinks it's their godamn fucking right to do anything they want, push the limits, not think about how they themselves may have contributed to the circumstances, not take responsibility, and then claim victimhood.

I'll bet you guys I got helluva lot more crap in the 80s with slanty-eye gestures, "ching-chong", and kung-fu nonsense than this kid ever did regarding Islam or bring brown in 2015.
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2015, 01:26:03 AM »

If you guys have ever personally dealt with media, you would understand how the media can distort things way out of proportion.
Been there, done that. And Marvey has understated how bad it can be.
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2015, 01:28:59 AM »

Everyone in the world thinks it's their godamn fucking right to do anything they want, push the limits, and then not take responsibility and claim victimhood.

No. Do not overgeneralise. Buenas noches...
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2015, 01:30:07 AM »

Personally, I don't think the people in authority are retarded. Stupid, yeah. But not that retarded that they wanna take it on a kid. It could've been something that triggered the whole incident but overlooked or wasn't reported.

Or perhaps I'm too far in the East that I wouldn't understand the situation in the States.

IMO, if it happens over here, ain't no one got time for that shit. Nobody's gonna be alarmed. That's what I think.
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2015, 01:31:00 AM »

None of us were there. We don't have any the facts other than the "facts" delivered to us by the media.

Obviously none of you guys have kids in schools, have dealt with security procedures at schools (or anywhere else which requires such procedures), have friends who work in law enforcement, or have experienced media distort events so they could sell papers.


Actually I have experience in all three and a degree in political science.  The meer fact that everyone in this thread came conclusion as to the validity of the action (either for or against) based on one article and preconceived notions, just shows that none of us are qualified to make such an assessment professionally. 

No problem with having an opinion but as it stands none of us can really pass judgement in a manner that upholds the impartial review process that this should be judged as.  Then again I  doubt they'll put someone that will be impartial in the review.
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2015, 02:15:30 AM »



Obviously none of you guys have kids in schools, have dealt with security procedures at schools (or anywhere else which requires such procedures), have friends who work in law enforcement, or have experienced media distort events so they could sell papers.[/font

I have. For 30 years. Until the media dust clears, I will not judge what anyone did. Been there too many times. In my experience the media gets it wrong at first most of the time. It's the need to be "breaking news". To hell with accuracy.
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2015, 02:23:24 AM »

First thing that I thought when I saw this case: This kid is on the spectrum.

It would be pretty interesting to sit down with Ahmed and see how well he meets Hans Asperger's diagnostic criteria (clumsiness, unusually intense interests, difficulties with language pragmatics & non-verbal communication, and difficulty expressing empathy through conventional means). Any 14 year old with fully operating reputation management social capabilities likely would have avoided bringing the clock to school because of concerns about peer opinion.

I started bringing things that looked like that to school when I was 14. The school administration put me in Dean Kamen's FIRST Program to build robots and travel around the U.S.. If this were before September 11th, the same thing might have happened to him - so I just feel sadness for the state of things that all of those kids have to live through.

As far as the case itself...I taught in Dearborn, MI for four years. This kid is just lucky that some security guard or police officer didn't shoot him. Seriously. No joke.
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2015, 03:09:29 AM »

I have. For 30 years. Until the media dust clears, I will not judge what anyone did. Been there too many times. In my experience the media gets it wrong at first most of the time. It's the need to be "breaking news". To hell with accuracy.

I figured you would actually get it and I don't even want to imagine all the crap that you've had to deal with as an educator.

People on the outside think it's a matter of you (as an educator) being able to make a expert determination on whether a device in a suitcase is indeed a bomb or clock. Unfortunately, most educators don't have OJ's skills in determining whether such circuits are a bomb trigger or not. People also believe that you (as an experienced educator) can simply decide on your own accord to brush that off as a joke and let the matter slide after giving the kid a slap on the wrist.

Yes, maybe it's too much 24 with Kieffer Sutherland, or stupid redneck hick teachers in TX (as the articles would like us to believe that all people in TX are stupid and racist). But what people don't understand is that when in doubt, the educator is not supposed to be the guy from the Hurt Locker and that there are certain policies and procedures to follow.

The crux of issue is whether the educator(s) legitimately feared the suitcase was a real bomb or a hoax. This we may never know. What I do know is that whether that fear was imagined or real, that kid was going to "juvie" and get suspended for a few days, even if the kid explained "it's a clock! really, it's a clock". A perceived bomb threat is still a bomb threat, and there are penalties for that.

There are reasons for not taking the kid's statements of innocence at face value (I am assuming the kid tried to explain it was a clock). It's a matter of security protocol.

Excess paranoia and too much 24 with Kieffer? Probably. But keep in mind that Anaxilus (when he worked as a contractor for me) managed to get into the vault (past three perimeters) of a local bank while carrying a suitcase big enough to house a small machine gun. He has able to do so because the security protocols at this bank were not functioning and certain individuals made their "own calls" - they got bamboozled by Anaxilus' obi-wan powers. I've worked as a professional in the digital and physical security arena for a while.

P.S. Kid should have made a headphone amplifier.
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Re: A 14 Year Old Kid Was Jailed For Building A DIY Clock
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2015, 03:30:25 AM »

I've been a high school teacher for 12 years now.  I work in one of the best schools in the country.  It's an academic magnet where we have a host of talented teenagers that participate in things such as robotics clubs.  I teach Multivariate Calculus to a bunch of high school kids that are more intelligent than I'll ever dream of being.  We encourage exploration and creativity.  We also have an extremely diverse student population which is something that we celebrate.  I mean celebrate in the literal sense...not a metaphorical sense.  Exploring and valuing varying cultures is important to us.

We've also had multitudes of bomb threats.  We've had building evacuations.  We've had news crews in our hallways and bomb sniffing dogs in all of our classrooms.  We've received threatening e-mails warning of attacks. These e-mails say a variety of things.  The blood of children will be on our hands if we don't act, etc., etc.

After each of these events we are told quite clearly by administrators and law enforcement that we watch like a hawk and leave absolutely nothing to chance.  If I see any device that appears to be homemade with wires sticking out of it, then I act.  Immediately.  I would love to have the luxury of waiting and seeing.  I would love to talk to the kid first and be sure I get it right.  But, I won't.

You can judge me for that if you want.  Believe me, I won't lose any sleep over it.
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