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Re: Windows 10 "upgrade"? haha
« Reply #90 on: August 03, 2015, 01:49:02 PM »

I installed my OEM Win 7 to a spare disk and ran Win Update.  It displayed the Win 10 icon in the notification area inviting me to upgrade to Windows 10.
That's just the reservation. The update doesn't require you to burn a disk as far as I know.
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Re: Windows 10 "upgrade"? haha
« Reply #91 on: August 03, 2015, 03:30:20 PM »

The nvidia driver issue is not to do with MS supplying an old driver, or that the MS service fails to deliver any driver except a basic VGA driver.  It's that the MS update service prevents the nvidia driver updater installing a driver.  It worked fine on 98/2000/xp/7 - no conflict, use whichever method you like, but this time it is just a screw up.  If this was some edge case hardware like a USB hub or something I could live with it, but full GPU support is too big a deal on a desktop system to ignore.  My nvidia card is an aftermarket one in a PCI-E slot and the BIOS is correctly set to use it.  It works on any OS except Win 10 (for example it has worked fine on this same machine in Debian, FreeBSD, and Win 7).  I am guessing, but don't know, that if the GPU was integrated into the motherboard this issue wouldn't arise.   I believe what I experienced is typical of an OS that hasn't been thoroughly tested and/or has been rushed out  to meet a delivery target, ready or not.

In case you weren't aware, Nvidia always seems to be playing catch up with drivers and the latest OS. One of the biggest issues with the Vista launch was that Nvidia didn't have their drivers ready despite months of OS beta testing. Very unstable drivers. With 10, MS had the preview out for months, and yet Nvidia AND AMD didn't get their Win10 drivers out until launch day, more or less.

Now, whether or not MS should delay the OS launch until they can verify drivers like these are ready to go...I'm not sure. I think it's debatable. On one hand, seems they give enough beta opportunities and time that Nvidia/AMD should be able to get their shit together. On the other hand, given this has been a pain point for the last few Win OS launches and gives people a sour taste with MS (even though it's not their drivers, end users aren't always aware or care), it might make good sense to just make sure Nvidia/AMD and other important driver manufacturers are ready to go before launching your OS.

Now, if it's Windows Update itself that is causing issues with the standalone driver installation from Nvidia...that's definitely screwy and a problem. I'm curious how many people ran into this issue. But, as always, it's good practice to wait a few months before upgrading to the newest Windows OS. Good thing MS gave people a year-long window for their free 10 upgrade.
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Re: Windows 10 "upgrade"? haha
« Reply #92 on: August 03, 2015, 06:14:26 PM »

err, no.  I installed my OEM Win 7 to a spare disk and ran Win Update.  It displayed the Win 10 icon in the notification area inviting me to upgrade to Windows 10.  At that point I ran Windows update again because, despite being an idiot noob, I did actually notice over the years that sometimes Win update sometimes says no more updates until you "check for updates" again and Hey presto! There were more friggin updates.  My aim was just to initially get Win 7 as up to date as is possible so as to make a disk image of it before proceeding with any upgrade to a new OS version.

Microsoft (that's Microsoft, not Tom's Hardware) posts advice as to how to proceed with the upgrade if the updgrade notification mysteriously disappears after an upgrade or a reboot.  I followed their advice.  Yeah, noob backs up, noob images disks, noob reads the map and is kind to wifey, sometimes even other people's wifey.

Anyway thanks for your friendly and insightful comments.

K, I need clarification on what you are actually saying here. You say you were "invited to upgrade to Win10." Are you talking about the Get Windows 10 icon that everyone and their mother has and doesn't mean you are ready for it yet, or are you saying Win10 had already downloaded in the background on its own and was telling you it was ready for install. At which you point you decided to run a further Win7 update after Win10 already downloaded in the background by itself?

Actually I already linked the Microsoft procedure earlier if you go back and check the thread. If your GWX logo disappeared that means your upgrade isn't ready per MS. That's why they make the icon disappear. You can go forward with an upgrade at that point purely at your discretion. 

Also, when you say you are getting ALL the Win7 updates, are these including the optional ones?
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Re: Windows 10 "upgrade"? haha
« Reply #93 on: August 03, 2015, 06:42:25 PM »

In case you weren't aware, Nvidia always seems to be playing catch up with drivers and the latest OS. One of the biggest issues with the Vista launch was that Nvidia didn't have their drivers ready despite months of OS beta testing. Very unstable drivers. With 10, MS had the preview out for months, and yet Nvidia AND AMD didn't get their Win10 drivers out until launch day, more or less.

It seems like no one was on the ball with drivers this time. As far as I'm aware Intel's integrated GFX driver is still beta and somewhat unstable, which is why I'm holding off on my Celery boxes.
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Re: Windows 10 "upgrade"? haha
« Reply #94 on: August 03, 2015, 07:57:55 PM »

It seems like no one was on the ball with drivers this time. As far as I'm aware Intel's integrated GFX driver is still beta and somewhat unstable, which is why I'm holding off on my Celery boxes.

Then the question follows: has W10 crashed systems like Vista did? If not then it could be worse...
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Re: Windows 10 "upgrade"? haha
« Reply #95 on: August 03, 2015, 08:02:23 PM »

Weird...
After installing Win 10 (had my Radeon HD7770 in the system) I received my GTX960 mini (it looks cute and sheit!). Installed the card, Windows 10 attempted to start and it didn't... restarted and then it got to the log-in screen in glorious 800x600! LOL.
Downloaded drivers and... it's working A-Ok...
So definitely different stories out there.
Though it doesn't surprise me that there are driver issues, it's Windows after all...
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Re: Windows 10 "upgrade"? haha
« Reply #96 on: August 03, 2015, 09:30:14 PM »

I'm digging the UI.  I'm all black on black so it all looks pretty boss.  The notification window on the right and the new start on the left both hit the sweet spot for me.  Also was able to get OneDrive/Office and my encryption working right away with only one check mark (undoing the "share with others" box in OneDrive settings).  In Win 8.1, lots of people including me had problems with the Microsfot Upload Center inserting itself and causing trouble, especially if you used encryption between your desktop and OneDrive.  There wasn't a simple, non-registry way to get that out of the way before.

I took away the (new blue Windows) image on the login/password screen with the technique here (so that now it's a solid color):

http://www.howtogeek.com/223875/how-to-change-the-login-screen-background-on-windows-10/


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Re: Windows 10 "upgrade"? haha
« Reply #97 on: August 03, 2015, 09:39:02 PM »

Ugh, my laptop is trying to run updates... I unchecked the Win10 upgrade, but it still wants to upgrade automatically. Guess I'm stuck not updating for a while. Maybe I'll just give it a few days and see if it resolves itself.
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Re: Windows 10 "upgrade"? haha
« Reply #98 on: August 03, 2015, 09:47:55 PM »

I had activation issues when I tried to force the upgrade on the pc I was testing on.  My work computer just upgraded itself in due course and that was 100% painless.  I have a third Windows tablet I'm still waiting to upgrade but will just wait for the Windows Update to get to it on its own since I know that's the pain-free thing to do.
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Re: Windows 10 "upgrade"? haha
« Reply #99 on: August 04, 2015, 09:05:46 PM »

How to remove w10 bloatware:

https://thomas.vanhoutte.be/miniblog/delete-windows-10-apps/

OneNote:

http://www62.zippyshare.com/v/IfLGZv7J/file.html (it's safe, you can check it with notepad if you're paranoid)

There's an easy fix for the nVidia drivers too, but it was too fun watching julian fume  :)p17
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