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Non-Audio Stuff => The Geek Cave: Home Theatre, Computers, and More! => Topic started by: Julian67 on July 30, 2015, 03:09:53 AM
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I heard that Windows 10 is a free upgrade for good honest non-piratical licensees of Windows 7 (like wot i am). I run Debian not Windows but my Dell originally came with Win 7 Pro and qualifies.
Also I wanted to check for upgrades for my Galaxy Note 2 LTE (I can't get OTA cos I rooted it so it has to be done via Windows or Mac). So I had fixed my mind on spending Wednesday morning reinstalling original Dell OEM Win 7 onto a secondary disk and then maybe checking for Android upgrades and even upgrading to Win 10. hahahahahahahahahaha. I started at 0930. Windows refused to install to a disk containing only a single NTFS partition that spanned the entire 256GB disk. OK, reboot to Parted Magic, use dd to zero the MBR, write new disk label and start agin with raw disk. This time Windows installer created and formatted a partition to ntfs and then refused to use its own shitty handiwork. Check google's giant brain: Win 7 doesn't like to be on any disk except the first disk in a PC. sigh. So I open up the case and disconnect the other hard disks and start over. It works and installs. OK, now to run through several iterations of Windows Update. How long could it possibly take? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggghhh. It took till late in the afternoon just to get to the point of being ready to install SP1. SP1 came down with a bunch of other stuff totalling almost 1GB. It took bloody forever to download and install and then 2x forever to shutdown and then on reboot it f*cked itself and tried to revert itself and failed. Luckily I had done a clonezilla image before proceeding so I restored and started again ....same shit. More googling: apparently it's not enough that Win 7 is on the first disk controller, sometime it goes really and truly feminine and insists and demands that it is the *only* one. I had trouble believing this shit but anyway I physically disconnected everything including the DVD writer and made sure special kid Win 7 C: was on SATA controller 0 on the motherboard. Fuck me it then took forever but finally worked. Bitch! I finally arrived at a booted updated Win 7 whose update screen told me it was up to date and there was that Windows 10 update icon in the notification bar. By this time I had become cynical so I clicked "check for updates". There were more updates. I updated and rebooted. Same again, more updates, another reboot. Win 7 was now truly up to date but the Windows 10 update icon had now vanished. Again consulted the almighty google (and prayed it wasn't coded by the same fucking idiots who build Windows) and found that there is a MS upgrade tool. I got it, used it, lost money at poker on my tablet while it downloaded 3GB of MS newest horse manure and installed itself. It took fucking hours. While it did this it announced "This Won't Take Long". Truly. I wanted to strangle the asshole who wrote that screen. I still do. Bear in mind that this was at 02:30 and I had started on my epic quest at 09:30. If I ever meet anyone from Microsoft Windows division I am going to grip their genitals and squeeze hard until their eyes pop out, and not in a good way.
It finally installed. It is shit. It repeatedly fails to download the correct nvidia GPU driver and leaves my 1280x1024 screen running at 800x600 or 1024x768 or some crap like that. It is dog slow, nothing fucking works properly and the theme has been constructed by a teen goth on ketamine during a suicide attempt. I hope it was fucking successful.
Dear Billy G (as if you will ever see this), do the world a favour and fire all those Indians and start actually testing this shit before making it public. Make it and test it with people who live in societies where not every fucking thing is broken and fucked up by default. If your coders and main focus groups are all astonishingly talkative and worryingly thin and wear clothes with broken buttons and zips cos they are washed by banging them with rocks in a filthy river full of shit and industrial waste then you are doing it wrong. You are doing it wrong.
I shut down Windows. I reconnected all my other disks and my DVD drive. I no longer give a fuck about checking for Android updates, it just isn't worth it. I booted back into Debian. It is totally fucking beautiful.
/rant over.
sorry all.
p.s. on the plus side Win 7 and Win 10 did both recognise my USB DAC.
Oh yeah, forgot to mention that at one point I thought I would boot into Win 7 safe mode and troubleshoot. Unfortunately in safe mode Windows cannot recognise my FUCKING MICROSOFT wireless keyboard and mouse. If they let English people own guns there would be corpses in the street here.
Edit by Anaxilus-See: http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,2644.msg75492.html#msg75492
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My installation is currently underway.
I'm guessing it will go fine. It's just the Schitt drivers that I'm worried about.
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09:30 to 02:30? It took you 17 hours? So umm, why didn't you just use your license key and make an install disk? Or at least, get your new Win10 license and do a full clean install. Just asking as I'm waiting for my timed roll-out to queue up. No need to rush things IMO.
Yes, Win7 doesn't like 256MB partitions and can have issues with multiple drives during install. Safe mode has never worked with drivers, that's the point of safe mode. I also have never relied on Windows installs for the latest GPU drivers. None of these are new issues specific to Windows 10.
Maybe Ravi will chime in and let us know how his wife was able to do it. ;)
Reminds me, I need to go upgrade snow leopard to OSwhatever. BBL...
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09:30 to 02:30? It took you 17 hours? So umm, why didn't you just use your license key and make an install disk?
Cos my powers of prediction and mystic foresight are in decline?
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It happens.
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I forced the install myself on my personal laptop just to check it out. It went smoothly since the hardware is new. No idea what it's like for legacy users.
I do wish Microsoft would think to offer things like paid assisted installs at Microsoft stores. Hardware is variable enough that some people will invariably fall into a pit like you did.
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I forced the install myself on my personal laptop just to check it out. It went smoothly since the hardware is new. No idea what it's like for legacy users.
I do wish Microsoft would think to offer things like paid assisted installs at Microsoft stores. Hardware is variable enough that some people will invariably fall into a pit like you did.
Isn't that what the GWX hardware verification is for? It wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't comprehensive though. This is why I don't like being an early adopter of anything. Like potentially using my hand wrong to make a phone call.
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Don't trust the software hardware verification tool :)
Honestly, I only upgraded my xps13 since dell sells the same configuration with win 10 already. I like it a lot so far.
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OP, What's the spec of your Dell?
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Is windows 10 anything like 8? I don't like idea of using a touch screen type based software. That's why I never upgraded to 8 besides windows 7 doing just fine for me since nowadays I just listen to music and play on fl studio sometimes...
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Is windows 10 anything like 8? I don't like idea of using a touch screen type based software. That's why I never upgraded to 8 besides windows 7 doing just fine for me since nowadays I just listen to music and play on fl studio sometimes...
Not really. With tablet mode on, the UI is metro-like and touch friendly, except much better integrated and implemented than Windows 8.
With tablet mode off, you get a traditional (but enhanced) start menu, and an UI that looks like Windows 7 with a face-lift.
I upgraded my desktop with Windows 7 and my Surface Pro 3 with 8.1 to Windows 10. Both felt like an improvement.
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I can definitely verify that for whatever reason, getting large amounts of data through Windows Update is like trying to drink an ocean through a cocktail straw. It's horrible, but this is nothing new. It's always been horrible. I've done many, many fresh installs of W7, both original and the various SP1 integrated/media refresh versions. Doesn't matter. The trick is to install Windows, configure it for SSD and do whatever initial tasks are required, start WU, and then go do something else for awhile, like read War and Peace. Twice. By the end of the second read through, it might be finished.
My experience with Windows 8 is far more limited, but I did fully update a W8 laptop, then update it to W8.1, then fully update THAT, and it was the exact same story. A new star will be born, exhaust all of its hydrogen and helium, and explode before WU finishes updating.
Can't say I've ever had any issues dealing with hard drives. I have however run into the annoying USB 3.0 boot problem. W7 doesn't have native USB 3 drivers, and so out of the box it won't boot from a USB 3.0 port, which can be a problem if that's all your computer has. Unless it isn't. Some UEFIs will allow you to disable 3.0 functionality, which you can then turn back on after the install, others don't. Otherwise you have to manually add the drivers to the installer before hand.
From what I've seen, W10 seems like a fairly decent attempt at a W7/W8 hybrid. Apparently there's STILL no native Class 2 USB support though, because who would possibly need that? Come the fuck on already MS.
Oh, and NEVER, NEVER get drivers for ANY piece of hardware from Windows Update.
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Zerodeefex: is your xps13 from this year?
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Guys, apparently there's a Win10 ISO download from the MS site.
Having a hard time upgrading the Win8 to Win8.1 on my laptop so I'll see if this works.
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DAVE BSC, so is there a way to install 3rd party USB support for windows 10? even the schiit modi doesn't work
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Reminds me, I need to go upgrade snow leopard to OSwhatever. BBL...
My condolences.
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At least Microsoft is not going W8 on this "OS-upgrade." We are not forced to go through the "oh yes, we pretty much changed everything you knew so deal with it" and there are proper introductions and explanations for W10 aspects.
The phased approach Microsoft has chosen is something it should keep. I am putting W10 on my portable Lenovo X121e.
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upgraded from 8.1 to 10 on my homebuilt desktop using the upgrade tool from microsoft, it downloaded and burned an install iso dvd for me and needed hardly any interaction from me to install, I didn't even have to put in a serial key. geek out still working as normal. smoothest upgrad ever.. not sure why you guys are having problems
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XPS 13 2015 for sure. Love the laptop. Purposefully picked the non touch 1080p variant for excellent battery life. With the extended battery I get around 18 hours real world active usage battery life and 12 hours without.
All my DACs working just fine. Will probably upgrade other computers in our house shortly.
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Going to download some ISOs and make a VM or two.
It seems Microsoft is continuing their shitty Win8 tradition of not giving real links to the ISOs so I will have to download them from random pages that come up on google and compare the hashes to what's listed on the MSDN download pages. Apparently those subscriptions fees are needed to justify normal downloads instead of POS executables that do $DEITY knows what else in the process of downloading and burning an ISO.
Fuck you Microsoft...
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zdfx: Sweet, I have the same one too! But yeah, no download notification yet so I guess I'll just wait for my Win10 upgrade.
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It's free because they haven't actually finished it and you get to be an unpaid beta tester...
Rob
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It's free because they haven't actually finished it and you get to be an unpaid beta tester...
Rob
At least they're coming closer to admitting it this time around. You should touch a new Windows release until SP1. That's when it actually comes out of Beta...
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Going to download some ISOs and make a VM or two.
It seems Microsoft is continuing their shitty Win8 tradition of not giving real links to the ISOs so I will have to download them from random pages that come up on google and compare the hashes to what's listed on the MSDN download pages. Apparently those subscriptions fees are needed to justify normal downloads instead of POS executables that do $DEITY knows what else in the process of downloading and burning an ISO.
Fuck you Microsoft...
Well no direct links, but you can download the ISO from them.
Download the tool here-> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
And choose the DVD option.
And BTW, AFAIK the first time, you shouldn't do a clean install.
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Well no direct links, but you can download the ISO from them.
Download the tool here-> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
And choose the DVD option.
The "download tool" is exactly what I'm complaining about.
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Having a hard time upgrading the Win8 to Win8.1 on my laptop so I'll see if this works.
Really? What's going on? I haven't heard that one before. I upgraded to 8.1 easy peesy on my little dell tablet with minimal storage and memory.
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Started up a W10 VM. Needed to upgrade VirtualBox first for some silly reason though. So far...
GUI is improved from the preview I tried and from 8.
No more 10 pixel border around every fucking window by default
Nor more names in the middle of the window
Can get rid of the stupid search shit on the taskbar now
Can't turn off WU from the GUI anymore, have to disable the service completely for now.
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DAVE BSC, so is there a way to install 3rd party USB support for windows 10? even the schiit modi doesn't work
Depends on the individual driver at play. Class 1 should still work as usual, but for Class 2, aside from the usual "install as admin" and "compatibility mode" tricks, I dunno.
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W8 required a registry hack unless someone figured something else out. I tried all the standard GUI USB power mgt tweaks.
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And this is why we use VMs for testing...I jacked it up already trying to get rid or Cortana.
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From Microsoft:
"If you install from the ISO/media, as long as you start the upgrade from within a Genuine/activated copy of Windows 7/8.1 (e.g. by double-clicking Setup.exe), you shouldn't need your CD key.
However, doing a "clean install" (for example, booting from the ISO/media, rather than launching setup.exe from within the existing Windows installation), you will need to enter your CD key again.
Also, just a reminder to the folks on this thread, the upgrade is being rolled out over time, so you won't see the icon until the upgrade is ready for your machine. We are taking a measured approach to ensure that we only upgrade users when we have a high confidence level for the compatibility of their device.
If you want to upgrade right away, follow the directions at the site linked above, but in general, our recommendation is actually to wait until the icon returns and notifies you that the upgrade is now ready for your machine, which will mean that we have fixed the majority of issues that could possibly impact your device."
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-win_upgrade/get-windows-10-icon-disappeared/e4fa3431-f91d-4882-a352-4561cbf5e9f2?page=2
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I really enjoy reading threads like this.
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Why the rush to Windows 10? History has shown us not to do these things. Windows 3.0 (before 3.1), Windows NT (before SP2), Windows 95 (before SE), Windows ME, Windows Vista, etc.
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From Microsoft:
"If you install from the ISO/media, as long as you start the upgrade from within a Genuine/activated copy of Windows 7/8.1 (e.g. by double-clicking Setup.exe), you shouldn't need your CD key.
However, doing a "clean install" (for example, booting from the ISO/media, rather than launching setup.exe from within the existing Windows installation), you will need to enter your CD key again.
I'm having this issue with activation. Lucklily I'm doing this on a spare computer for testing, but still...
I started the process within Windows 8.1 and followed all the prompts. Now, it says no activation code and the one that really is on my machine isn't working for some reason (though 100% legit and bought within the last month).
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Why the rush to Windows 10?
I don't know. I was going to start a thread about why people feel the need to rush to the latest shiniest new thing and suspend better judgement to increase the potential for wasted time. I mean, people will stand in line for days to get a phone that can't make phone calls. Go figure.
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I'm having this issue with activation. Lucklily I'm doing this on a spare computer for testing, but still...
I started the process within Windows 8.1 and followed all the prompts. Now, it says no activation code and the one that really is on my machine isn't working for some reason (though 100% legit and bought within the last month).
I saw some confusion about whether this would work with an upgrade or OEM vendor installed license. My tech spidey senses tell me the safest way to go about it would be to do the regulated upgrade per GWX, log the current and potentially new key and then do a clean install. I recall reading somewhere a few months ago they recommended doing a regular upgrade first before a clean install. Yes it's stupid but this is what actual techs have to deal with. Stupid vendors and their stupid lawyers/accountants, and stupid end users with lots of porn and malware. So to be successful, you have to think stupid. Afterall, computers are inherently dumb.
As best practice on a clean install, I would definitely remove as many peripherals as possible that aren't the C:, input devices and the GPU. Get stable and patched, then add stuff back one at a time. Should be able to just add all drives at once though.
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Upgrading to windows 10 seems to make things sound more brighter. Both Wasapi/ASIO
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I saw some confusion about whether this would work with an upgrade or OEM vendor installed license. My tech spidey senses tell me the safest way to go about it would be to do the regulated upgrade per GWX, log the current and potentially new key and then do a clean install.
If you're just doing this a personal non-business computer and don't have to worry about audits, a fresh install and activating via Microsoft Toolkit.
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I'm having this issue with activation. Lucklily I'm doing this on a spare computer for testing, but still...
I started the process within Windows 8.1 and followed all the prompts. Now, it says no activation code and the one that really is on my machine isn't working for some reason (though 100% legit and bought within the last month).
From what I've read, the activation servers are getting absolutely hammered, and so it's just not working for some people, and you just have to be patient.
Apparently the way the free upgrade works is that you generate basically a generic key, and your unique key is tied to your hardware - seems to be the motherboard. So if you're upgrading from say 7 to 10, you can do the upgrade install which will generate a HW key for your system, and then after that you can do as many clean installs as you want from a fresh W10 installer. When it asks for a key just skip it, and then once in Windows, go to the activator and it will find your HW key and activate for you. That means you should be able to change HDDs, GFX, etc, but changing motherboards would probably require a new key.
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well, Paul can poop on us lowly windows users, but win 10 is fucking phenomenal so far. I'm REALLY enjoying the experience. The low power states are much improved, I'm seeing an incremental improvement in battery life and general navigation and UX is leagues ahead of my MBP right now. Microsoft has a great experience here and they've really put a lot of thought into the navigational and screen management paradigms. I'm an early fan.
It took me 15 minutes to reserve, download, and install the update and everything was ready to go. I went ahead and installed it fresh on a second machine and it even is syncing my background and layouts from my first machine. Little useful things that it looks like MS has learned from mobile OSes.
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I had been very careful before starting the process. I double-checked my key from my receipt(s) and also downloaded two programs to confirm the hardware key (Magic Jelly Bean and Belarc Advisor). When I go to activate using that code, Win 10 isn't accepting it. But even that diligence was for naught.
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... and it even is syncing my background and layouts from my first machine.
Yeah, this is a nice feature. I don't want too much integration (Cortana/the search bar with Bing can both go to hell) but I'm okay with the look and feel and my own personalizations being consistent across devices.
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Just found an old legit Win7 disk I had in a drawer here at the office so I have a back-up product key if I need it....
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Really? What's going on? I haven't heard that one before. I upgraded to 8.1 easy peesy on my little dell tablet with minimal storage and memory.
Kept on failing for me. Also not having a legit key helps too.
Win10 ISO works fine. I get to skip the Win8.1 upgrade altogether. Need to dl the activator when I get home.
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I jumped from Windows 7 on a 6 year old laptop.
No issues, whatsoever. Schitt even has windows 10 drivers up on their site already, so kudos to them.
I'm impressed.
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I jumped from Windows 7 on a 6 year old laptop.
No issues, whatsoever. Schitt even has windows 10 drivers up on their site already, so kudos to them.
I'm impressed.
Thanks for the heads-up on this!
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I keep gettting a message that it's time to upgrade. Then I reschedule it to Saturaday when I will have more time. A couple of hours later it tells me it's time to upgrade. It appears MS doesn't care when I want to upgrade at all or the scheduler has a problem.
Glad to hear the Schitt is on top of things.
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I will say I'm getting more pops, clicks, and stutters on USB audio. It's a significant difference.
Will be curious to see if others experience the same.
Modi 2 Uber.
Foobar 2k --> WASAPI (event)
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I will say I'm getting more pops, clicks, and stutters on USB audio. It's a significant difference.
Will be curious to see if others experience the same.
Modi 2 Uber.
Foobar 2k --> WASAPI (event)
What is your latency setting on Foobar? Might try setting it a little higher. Sometimes that has worked for me.
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What is your latency setting on Foobar? Might try setting it a little higher. Sometimes that has worked for me.
Yep, I was just about to come update my post.
I upped the buffer slightly, and all seems to be well.
Also, this is completely insane, but imaging seems improved. Probably just me hyper-analyzing every sound I hear, but it's been consistent.
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Buffer settings can matter, not just for clicks and pops only.
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Buffer settings can matter, not just for clicks and pops.
I was hearing it (improved imaging) before the buffer adjustment.
Again, I'm going under the assumption that I'm crazy. I don't know if it could possibly be some change to windows 10 or updated Schiit drivers (I'm woefully ignorant here), but I doubt it.
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I was hearing it before the buffer adjustment.
Again, I'm going under the assumption that I'm crazy. I don't know if it could possibly be some change to windows 10 or updated Schiit drivers (I'm woefully ignorant here), but I doubt it.
Ugh, you read that completely different from how I wrote it. My bad...
Edited.
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Ugh, you read that completely different from how I wrote it. My bad...
Edited.
I edited my post as well, for clarity. I think the communication issue may have been on my end.
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I edited my post as well, for clarity. I think the communication issue may have been on my end.
Nah, if one can misinterpret my written intention, it's my fault. That's my responsibility.
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Yep, I was just about to come update my post.
I upped the buffer slightly, and all seems to be well.
Also, this is completely insane, but imaging seems improved. Probably just me hyper-analyzing every sound I hear, but it's been consistent.
Glad to hear it worked. I have a Gungnir and it works fine with my laptop with Win 8.1. I am always wary when a new version of Windows comes out. I still remember Win Me. It haunts me. :-0 Thank goodness I was able to go back to Win 98 SE.
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I still remember Win Me. It haunts me. :-0 Thank goodness I was able to go back to Win 98 SE.
Windows ME. I stuck with it (for the whole year that it was out), but got the beta version of XP as soon as possible.
Such a strange blip in the radar. Almost as if it never happened (which is exactly what MS would prefer).
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I never ever ever had Windows ME. That must go down in history as the worst version ever.
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Windows ME. I stuck with it (for the whole year that it was out), but got the beta version of XP as soon as possible.
Such a strange blip in the radar. Almost as if it never happened (which is exactly what MS would prefer).
Thankfully I used Windows 2K and never had to deal with that piece of crap. Win98/SE was never my favorite, but it was still a hell of a lot better than the unholy nightmare that was ME.
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Thankfully I used Windows 2K and never had to deal with that piece of crap. Win98/SE was never my favorite, but it was still a hell of a lot better than the unholy nightmare that was ME.
2k was usable. It had a few quirks to it, but I didn't mind.
I was working as a computer tech at the University I attended and that's what a lot of our machines were on.
This conversation is making me feel old.
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I'm probably one of the few people who doesn't understand why people hate 8.1, I actually like it...Looking forward to trying 10 though once it's settled in. Does anyone know how long the upgrade will be free?
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I really enjoy reading threads like this.
Do you? Does your Apple peen get all hard? Maybe you should head over the Apple's app store and read all the one-star reviews for OSX Yosemite with people saying Apple is broken and are switching to Windows. Talk about blind fanboy bias, ffs...
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/os-x-yosemite/id915041082?mt=12&v0=WWW-NAUS-ITUHOME-NEWAPPLICATIONS&ign-mpt=uo%3D2
I'm probably one of the few people who doesn't understand why people hate 8.1, I actually like it...Looking forward to trying 10 though once it's settled in. Does anyone know how long the upgrade will be free?
8.1 is pretty good usb drivers aside. It just takes a little behavioral acclimatization for normal windows users. I can totally understand as I'm an intuitive person. Once you get over it and figure it out, it's stellar. most stable and slick windows I've had yet. Boots up and shuts down faster than my mother's Macbook Pro which seems to have slowed down. I don't have to stare at a powder blue screen and spinning tachometer for almost 10 seconds.
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I'm probably one of the few people who doesn't understand why people hate 8.1, I actually like it...Looking forward to trying 10 though once it's settled in. Does anyone know how long the upgrade will be free?
For 1 year after release, I believe.
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Glad to hear the Schitt is on top of things.
Just to clarify, Schiit has released new gen 2 usb drivers, but the official Win 10 yggy driver is still pending release in early August. Nonetheless, I can confirm my Yggy is up and running post-Windows update with the old Yggy/gen 3 driver. Seems like I get occasional skips with high CPU activity, but for listening through foobar wasapi, it is working just as it used to.
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I'm probably one of the few people who doesn't understand why people hate 8.1, I actually like it...Looking forward to trying 10 though once it's settled in. Does anyone know how long the upgrade will be free?
I like Win8.1 also.
They took away win+i!!!!!
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I took a break from Win 10. Yesterday evening I cleaned my keyboard (it had been covered in flecks of spittle from my spluttering fury) and booted it again. Calm. Stay calm. Be calm. Chant calm. Om shanti shanti shanti. Ensure that icy cold beers and a bottle opener are to hand. Maybe even a glass. Check.
Nope, it's still shit. I can't get the nvidia driver via Windows driver update. OK, fire up the new Windows browser and head to nvidia: it can't identify my hardware because it needs a Java browser plug-in and Windows' new browser doesn't support plug-ins. That's OK, I know what my hardware is so I do it the manual way and download the driver according to OS/architecture/card. It downloads fine, it unpacks fine, it executes fine but it can't install the driver. Why? Because the nvidia driver installer cannot proceed to conclusion while the OS's own driver update process takes precedence. btw the latest nvidia driver was already installed and working perfectly in Win 7 before embarking on the Win 10 upgrade. I also noticed that the entire Win 10 GUI can freeze while a new tab loads in Edge (the new browser), not just for a second but for minutes! I also found that my barebones OS with not a single 3rd party application occupied more than 50GB of disk space, and this without any restore partition. That is utterly laughable. My Debian 64-bit OS on the same hardware (different disk is only difference), complete with open office, 3d games, and more applications and tools than I can count occupies just under 10GB for / and it runs *fast*.
Anyway, I booted clonezilla (disk imager) and restored Win 7. It's not my favourite operating system but at least it does support all my very ordinary hardware (Core i3, 8GB RAM, SATA disks, nvidia graphics card, USB dac and so on) without developing issues around sulking and refusing to work right.
I guess I'll have another look at it in a few months, after Billy G has grudgingly conceded it has been a giant fuck up and tried to fix the worst. I believe this is traditionally referred to as SP1.
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OP, What's the spec of your Dell?
core i3-2120 CPU @ 3.30GHz, 8GB Crucial RAM, GeForce GT 610, Realtek Gigabit ethernet. It is very common Intel stuff from top to bottom except for the (also very common and unremarkable) Nvidia card, Realtek ethernet and the RAM. If this incredibly ordinary and extremely common stuff (millions and millions of totally identical machines in offices and homes all around the world!) is not totally reliably supported and upgraded it's because the software stinks. This is not a weird edge case laptop with multiple GPUs and unique function buttons, it's one of the most common and standard business/SOHO PCs you could find in the last 5 years.
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I like Win8.1 also.
They took away win+i!!!!!
Reclaim your start menu for desktop. If you ever need your desktop to be a desktop take back your easy access.
I refrain from expressing profanities to remain calm, I just had a fresh coffee and all is good.
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if anyone has issue with their internet access like me, after the upgrade to Windows 10, you should take a look at this. Kinda ironic that you have to get to the internet to find an internet access issue. :-Z
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-networking/after-upgrading-to-windows-10-internet-only-works/6ee391e0-ab6c-4471-879c-83279eed21ee?auth=1
Basically running these 2 commands in admin mode and restart comp:
netsh winsock reset
netsh int ip reset
really no idea why but it definitely solved the problem p:8
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For 1 year after release, I believe.
Cool. I'm planning on doing the built in upgrade. I know people usually recommend a fresh install, but I have installed Windows 8 3 times on my PCs in the past 3 months. I don't want to have to re-set everything up again.
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Cool. I'm planning on doing the built in upgrade. I know people usually recommend a fresh install, but I have installed Windows 8 3 times on my PCs in the past 3 months. I don't want to have to re-set everything up again.
This is the first time in my life I haven't done a clean install.
Problem-free so far, and it did a fantastic job of preserving everything accurately.
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Maybe just stick with Linux and your fancy "3D games" if you don't know how to Windows. These all sound like user or Windows noob issues to me. :P
FWIW, Win10 upgrade went flawlessly on my off-brand, cheapo, semi-crappy, 8" tablet. Even carried over my weird back-end tweaks to keep the tablet from going to sleep (so the screen can turn off while music is playing without going into night night mode). Only thing I had to do was re-install JRMC, but that was to be expected based on the way its registration works.
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Agree!
Mine is working flawlessly... dare I say this version looks and feels wonderful?!!? :o
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Got everything working and I think it's pretty good. Definitely a much smaller footprint and more efficient.
I've had a couple bugs/glitches but nothing major.
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you need to change your Nvidia Geforce driver(microsoft edition) to Microsoft basic display adapter driver first before you can install the windows 10 nvidia driver.
The Geforce driver(Microsoft Editon) is dog slow.
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Well, I got on the idiot bus today. Decided to pull the trigger on win 10 in place upgrade on my main machine. I have the upgrades reserved on my two other machines even though only requested it on the least powerful one a few days ago.
Three times the install has stalled at 83% complete and 33% of configuration step. I have no patience to let it run all night like some, cuz I know what the outcome will be. I am an idiot.
I know Marv is right and I should postpone for 6 months or so but hey. I guess I will wait a month or two and see if anybody comes up with a fool proof way to upgrade.
I am glad lots of you have had trouble free installs. I guess that is what I get for buying all these old HP Elitebooks.
Very happy with Win 7 restored. Hey the screen even looks cleaner and brighter, ha ha !
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I started over. MS made the iso images available so I downloaded the 64-bit English edition, used the MS Windows 7 boot media tool to create a bootable USB and went for a clean install. This was much quicker but it fucked up yet again, this time for yet another reason: my genuine Dell OEM Win 7 Pro key is fine for installing Windows 7 from the Dell media (naturally); it's fine for upgrading in place from Win 7 to Win 10 - everything is checked as genuine as expected; but Win 10 installer's phone home activation rejects the key for a clean install of Win 10. I think I tried every which way and I suppose I could wait until Monday, do it again and call MS by phone and sort out the activation. On the other hand Win 7 will get security patches until 2020 and I hardly ever use it so I just reimaged back to Win 7 and think I can live with that and my usual Debian and not worry about the latest interesting social experiment from Billy G.
It does remind me of when MS first introduced this kind of activation (I think it all started as WGA in an XP service pack or update). I was one of those naughty people who ran both legit and pirated Windows systems. The big day arrived and I tried to activate: my fully legit XP Home (boxed, retail edition from a store) got identified as a pirate copy while my totally bogus cracktivated Pro edition from piratebay passed the test. I don't care if RMS eats toejam or has weevils living on the breadcrumbs in his beard, he's OK with me.
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I keep getting reminders to update. After reading some of these posts, I will put it off. Too many "oh this time it's going to be smooth and seamless" from MS. I've been using MS since DOS circa 1982. So been here for all versions of Windows. Always had issues of some sort when I decided to early adopt. Doing OK with 8.1 in desktop mode. I am wondering if they have fixed the classic Windows slow down that requires a re-install after a year or two. Hope so, as this is going to be it from here on out. No Windows 11, 12 etc. just updates. Please keep posting how it's going with Win 10.
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I would still be pretty happy with Windows 2000 Professional if it was supported *snaps suspenders out and enjoys odd thrill as they twang nipples on rebound*
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I started over. MS made the iso images available so I downloaded the 64-bit English edition, used the MS Windows 7 boot media tool to create a bootable USB and went for a clean install. This was much quicker but it fucked up yet again, this time for yet another reason: my genuine Dell OEM Win 7 Pro key is fine for installing Windows 7 from the Dell media (naturally); it's fine for upgrading in place from Win 7 to Win 10 - everything is checked as genuine as expected; but Win 10 installer's phone home activation rejects the key for a clean install of Win 10. I think I tried every which way and I suppose I could wait until Monday, do it again and call MS by phone and sort out the activation. On the other hand Win 7 will get security patches until 2020 and I hardly ever use it so I just reimaged back to Win 7 and think I can live with that and my usual Debian and not worry about the latest interesting social experiment from Billy G.
It does remind me of when MS first introduced this kind of activation (I think it all started as WGA in an XP service pack or update). I was one of those naughty people who ran both legit and pirated Windows systems. The big day arrived and I tried to activate: my fully legit XP Home (boxed, retail edition from a store) got identified as a pirate copy while my totally bogus cracktivated Pro edition from piratebay passed the test. I don't care if RMS eats toejam or has weevils living on the breadcrumbs in his beard, he's OK with me.
Windows 7/8 keys CANNOT be used to activate Windows 10. You MUST either do an upgrade install, and then have that generate the HW key, and then do a second clean install, or use Produkey to check the W10 key that was created for the upgrade, and then start over and use that. For the time being at least, there's no way to get around the double install requirement.
(http://hothardware.com/ContentImages/Article/2352/content/small_Windows-10-Produkey-Key-Finder-Third-Column.jpg)
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My only regret is that Bill didn't make it any more needlessly complicated or pointlessly tautological. haha.
I note and give thanks that the product key issue is not even alluded to on the iso download page.
I refer my learned friends to my original post, complete with apparently racist insinuations about Indians. This is a software upgrade process designed by voluble and alarmingly thin people wearing clothes that resemble a sack of shit held together with string.
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I don't even know what's left to be said about your experience other than it seems to have resulted from a lack of experience.
Btw, you know 'Bill' hasn't been at MS for quite a long time now. They are on their third boss now. This thread is starting to confirm some of my earlier suspicions of troll bait.
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I don't even know what's left to be said about your experience other than it seems to have resulted from a lack of experience.
Btw, you know 'Bill' hasn't been at MS for quite a long time now. They are on their third boss now. This thread is starting to confirm some of my earlier suspicions of troll bait.
I've only been using Bill's Best since about 1998 so I guess that still makes me a beginner, and anyway by now I should just *know* that the way to do a clean install is to upgrade from 7, miss out 8 and 8.1, jumping direct to 10 and then perform some reset operation. I mean it's just obvious. People are *born* knowing this, right? It didn't work that way in any previous release I used (98, 98SE, 2000 Pro, XP Home/Pro, Vista, 7 - I never bought installed 8 or 8.1)
The problem with MS Update and Nvidia's installer conflicting and leaving people with 800x600 is widely known and hardly unique. Nvidia claimed yesterday that their latest driver (just released in the last couple of days) worked around this - it didn't work for me.
Anyway these have been my honest and unvarnished experiences. I didn't do any weird stuff. The biggest problem was not expecting to have to disconnect all other storage devices (disks, DVD drives and all) just to work around an issue with Win Update. Also it had never occured to me that my Windows system disk would have to be on the very first SATA controller on the board. This all smells of programming using hardcoded paths, and that is really poor.
I guess if I was the only person who ran into the update issues I wouldn't have found knowledgebase and microsoft answers dealing with this.
Btw Billy G is still MS's senior Technology Advisor and I read an interview with him only a week or two ago in which he said this occupies about a third of his time. He's the guy Satya Nadella turns to for guidance.
I'm glad Win 10 upgrade worked out fine for you and others here. For me with only about 17 years of doing this stuff it has been my poorest MS upgrade experience so far, while I had expected it to be the best. I thought the Win 7 installer was maybe the easiest, simplest installer I ever used and one of the quickest, of any OS (Windows Update process is a whole other story). I was kind of expecting more of the same. What I got on extremely plain, widely used commodity hardware, was a labyrinthine journey with several unforseeable but serious pitfalls, caveats and gotchas that were new but not mentioned or easily discoverable until the shit had already hit the fan, and all leading to an OS that is not really usable.
I guess that makes me a troll.
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The problem with MS Update and Nvidia's installer conflicting and leaving people with 800x600 is widely known and hardly unique. Nvidia claimed yesterday that their latest driver (just released in the last couple of days) worked around this - it didn't work for me.
Honestly if you're that familiar with Windows, you should know that ANY hardware driver from Windows Update is guaranteed to be garbage. I don't know why they even bother with that side of WU at all, but people have largely known not to touch those drivers with a 10 foot pole since the beginning of WU.
I know that W10 making WU essentially mandatory makes this more complicated than it used to be. I get why they do it, in order to fight against bot armies of compromised machines, but with W10 Pro at least I know you can "defer" software updates, and I assume that the hardware drivers remain optional, though I haven't actually played with W10 yet myself. I'll probably start with one of my Celeron boxes after Intel releases a more finished GFX driver.
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net stop wuauserv
sc config wuauserv start= disabled
Problem solved.
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Oh, Nvidia drivers suck with laptops, even the more normal ones. You are often stuck with the manufacturer-provided drivers, and if they aren't kept updated, then, well, too bad I guess. Not sure if AMD is much better either. Sometimes there are weird workarounds using device manager, or, if lucky, modified drivers from enthusiasts. And then sometime there is just crappy hardware where, even when it should be supported via all the standard methods, it just doesn't work.
At least, I think you said you have a laptop?
One thing that does suck is Windows is becoming more and more locked down with disk configurations, boot options, multiple OSes, and so on. Started with Windows 7 but got real weird with Windows 8. Perfectly fine if all you use is Windows and just one install on your primary drive, but sucks when you want to do further tinkering. Tied in with UEFI BIOS too.
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Honestly if you're that familiar with Windows, you should know that ANY hardware driver from Windows Update is guaranteed to be....
The nvidia driver issue is not to do with MS supplying an old driver, or that the MS service fails to deliver any driver except a basic VGA driver. It's that the MS update service prevents the nvidia driver updater installing a driver. It worked fine on 98/2000/xp/7 - no conflict, use whichever method you like, but this time it is just a screw up. If this was some edge case hardware like a USB hub or something I could live with it, but full GPU support is too big a deal on a desktop system to ignore. My nvidia card is an aftermarket one in a PCI-E slot and the BIOS is correctly set to use it. It works on any OS except Win 10 (for example it has worked fine on this same machine in Debian, FreeBSD, and Win 7). I am guessing, but don't know, that if the GPU was integrated into the motherboard this issue wouldn't arise. I believe what I experienced is typical of an OS that hasn't been thoroughly tested and/or has been rushed out to meet a delivery target, ready or not.
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I would still be pretty happy with Windows 2000 Professional if it was supported *snaps suspenders out and enjoys odd thrill as they twang nipples on rebound*
snappy erotica............ha ha ha ......funny ...LOL is that even a thing now adays....yea
I know if i have to ask.................
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Thanks for clarifying which Billy you kept referring to. Kind of hard to figure out the details from your stream of consciousness.
I don't have Win10 yet because MS told me to wait after I 'reserved' my copy for them to say when it was ready for my PC. They did this with GWX to ensure proper hardware compatibility and server bandwidth availability.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-10-upgrade-availability,29696.html
has been rushed out to meet a delivery target, ready or not.
You chose to disregard their instructions and go it on your own initiative and complained of hardware compatibility and server bandwidth issues. Well I guess we shouldn't be shocked someone didn't follow directions and ran into the very issues they warned about. Reminds me of the wife in the passenger seat with the map her husband refuses to look at because he just 'knows'. Thanks for the impressions from your case study. Sounds like you had fun.
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You chose to disregard their instructions and go it on your own initiative and complained....
err, no. I installed my OEM Win 7 to a spare disk and ran Win Update. It displayed the Win 10 icon in the notification area inviting me to upgrade to Windows 10. At that point I ran Windows update again because, despite being an idiot noob, I did actually notice over the years that sometimes Win update sometimes says no more updates until you "check for updates" again and Hey presto! There were more friggin updates. My aim was just to initially get Win 7 as up to date as is possible so as to make a disk image of it before proceeding with any upgrade to a new OS version.
Microsoft (that's Microsoft, not Tom's Hardware) posts advice as to how to proceed with the upgrade if the updgrade notification mysteriously disappears after an upgrade or a reboot. I followed their advice. Yeah, noob backs up, noob images disks, noob reads the map and is kind to wifey, sometimes even other people's wifey.
Anyway thanks for your friendly and insightful comments.
There is another Billy G? Who knew?
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I installed my OEM Win 7 to a spare disk and ran Win Update. It displayed the Win 10 icon in the notification area inviting me to upgrade to Windows 10.
That's just the reservation. The update doesn't require you to burn a disk as far as I know.
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The nvidia driver issue is not to do with MS supplying an old driver, or that the MS service fails to deliver any driver except a basic VGA driver. It's that the MS update service prevents the nvidia driver updater installing a driver. It worked fine on 98/2000/xp/7 - no conflict, use whichever method you like, but this time it is just a screw up. If this was some edge case hardware like a USB hub or something I could live with it, but full GPU support is too big a deal on a desktop system to ignore. My nvidia card is an aftermarket one in a PCI-E slot and the BIOS is correctly set to use it. It works on any OS except Win 10 (for example it has worked fine on this same machine in Debian, FreeBSD, and Win 7). I am guessing, but don't know, that if the GPU was integrated into the motherboard this issue wouldn't arise. I believe what I experienced is typical of an OS that hasn't been thoroughly tested and/or has been rushed out to meet a delivery target, ready or not.
In case you weren't aware, Nvidia always seems to be playing catch up with drivers and the latest OS. One of the biggest issues with the Vista launch was that Nvidia didn't have their drivers ready despite months of OS beta testing. Very unstable drivers. With 10, MS had the preview out for months, and yet Nvidia AND AMD didn't get their Win10 drivers out until launch day, more or less.
Now, whether or not MS should delay the OS launch until they can verify drivers like these are ready to go...I'm not sure. I think it's debatable. On one hand, seems they give enough beta opportunities and time that Nvidia/AMD should be able to get their shit together. On the other hand, given this has been a pain point for the last few Win OS launches and gives people a sour taste with MS (even though it's not their drivers, end users aren't always aware or care), it might make good sense to just make sure Nvidia/AMD and other important driver manufacturers are ready to go before launching your OS.
Now, if it's Windows Update itself that is causing issues with the standalone driver installation from Nvidia...that's definitely screwy and a problem. I'm curious how many people ran into this issue. But, as always, it's good practice to wait a few months before upgrading to the newest Windows OS. Good thing MS gave people a year-long window for their free 10 upgrade.
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err, no. I installed my OEM Win 7 to a spare disk and ran Win Update. It displayed the Win 10 icon in the notification area inviting me to upgrade to Windows 10. At that point I ran Windows update again because, despite being an idiot noob, I did actually notice over the years that sometimes Win update sometimes says no more updates until you "check for updates" again and Hey presto! There were more friggin updates. My aim was just to initially get Win 7 as up to date as is possible so as to make a disk image of it before proceeding with any upgrade to a new OS version.
Microsoft (that's Microsoft, not Tom's Hardware) posts advice as to how to proceed with the upgrade if the updgrade notification mysteriously disappears after an upgrade or a reboot. I followed their advice. Yeah, noob backs up, noob images disks, noob reads the map and is kind to wifey, sometimes even other people's wifey.
Anyway thanks for your friendly and insightful comments.
K, I need clarification on what you are actually saying here. You say you were "invited to upgrade to Win10." Are you talking about the Get Windows 10 icon that everyone and their mother has and doesn't mean you are ready for it yet, or are you saying Win10 had already downloaded in the background on its own and was telling you it was ready for install. At which you point you decided to run a further Win7 update after Win10 already downloaded in the background by itself?
Actually I already linked the Microsoft procedure earlier if you go back and check the thread. If your GWX logo disappeared that means your upgrade isn't ready per MS. That's why they make the icon disappear. You can go forward with an upgrade at that point purely at your discretion.
Also, when you say you are getting ALL the Win7 updates, are these including the optional ones?
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In case you weren't aware, Nvidia always seems to be playing catch up with drivers and the latest OS. One of the biggest issues with the Vista launch was that Nvidia didn't have their drivers ready despite months of OS beta testing. Very unstable drivers. With 10, MS had the preview out for months, and yet Nvidia AND AMD didn't get their Win10 drivers out until launch day, more or less.
It seems like no one was on the ball with drivers this time. As far as I'm aware Intel's integrated GFX driver is still beta and somewhat unstable, which is why I'm holding off on my Celery boxes.
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It seems like no one was on the ball with drivers this time. As far as I'm aware Intel's integrated GFX driver is still beta and somewhat unstable, which is why I'm holding off on my Celery boxes.
Then the question follows: has W10 crashed systems like Vista did? If not then it could be worse...
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Weird...
After installing Win 10 (had my Radeon HD7770 in the system) I received my GTX960 mini (it looks cute and sheit!). Installed the card, Windows 10 attempted to start and it didn't... restarted and then it got to the log-in screen in glorious 800x600! LOL.
Downloaded drivers and... it's working A-Ok...
So definitely different stories out there.
Though it doesn't surprise me that there are driver issues, it's Windows after all...
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I'm digging the UI. I'm all black on black so it all looks pretty boss. The notification window on the right and the new start on the left both hit the sweet spot for me. Also was able to get OneDrive/Office and my encryption working right away with only one check mark (undoing the "share with others" box in OneDrive settings). In Win 8.1, lots of people including me had problems with the Microsfot Upload Center inserting itself and causing trouble, especially if you used encryption between your desktop and OneDrive. There wasn't a simple, non-registry way to get that out of the way before.
I took away the (new blue Windows) image on the login/password screen with the technique here (so that now it's a solid color):
http://www.howtogeek.com/223875/how-to-change-the-login-screen-background-on-windows-10/
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Ugh, my laptop is trying to run updates... I unchecked the Win10 upgrade, but it still wants to upgrade automatically. Guess I'm stuck not updating for a while. Maybe I'll just give it a few days and see if it resolves itself.
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I had activation issues when I tried to force the upgrade on the pc I was testing on. My work computer just upgraded itself in due course and that was 100% painless. I have a third Windows tablet I'm still waiting to upgrade but will just wait for the Windows Update to get to it on its own since I know that's the pain-free thing to do.
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How to remove w10 bloatware:
https://thomas.vanhoutte.be/miniblog/delete-windows-10-apps/
OneNote:
http://www62.zippyshare.com/v/IfLGZv7J/file.html (it's safe, you can check it with notepad if you're paranoid)
There's an easy fix for the nVidia drivers too, but it was too fun watching julian fume :)p17
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Something else to know. I guess. http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/03/man-upgrades-to-windows-10-it-shows-his-wife-his-entire-porn-collection-5324588/ (http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/03/man-upgrades-to-windows-10-it-shows-his-wife-his-entire-porn-collection-5324588/)
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I could be mistaken, but should you be married if you need to hide your porn collection from your wife? :-\ I have no experience on the matter fwiw.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/02/1408113/-Windows-10-comes-with-built-in-spyware-If-your-work-requires-confidentiality-DO-NOT-INSTALL (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/02/1408113/-Windows-10-comes-with-built-in-spyware-If-your-work-requires-confidentiality-DO-NOT-INSTALL)
Interesting vulnerability if this is indeed true...
I'm not so much scared of Microsoft holding onto my personal information, rather more worried that they'll lose it and it'll get leaked somehow.
Facebook and Google are far scarier with handling personal information.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/02/1408113/-Windows-10-comes-with-built-in-spyware-If-your-work-requires-confidentiality-DO-NOT-INSTALL (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/02/1408113/-Windows-10-comes-with-built-in-spyware-If-your-work-requires-confidentiality-DO-NOT-INSTALL)
Interesting vulnerability if this is indeed true...
I'm not so much scared of Microsoft holding onto my personal information, rather more worried that they'll lose it and it'll get leaked somehow.
Facebook and Google are far scarier with handling personal information.
These are some privacy fixes. At least you can mange them.
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/windows-10-doesnt-offer-much-privacy-by-default-heres-how-to-fix-it/
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I could be mistaken, but should you be married if you need to hide your porn collection from your wife? :-\ I have no experience on the matter fwiw.
Highly variable. So yes and no. Depends on the spouse.
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These are some privacy fixes. At least you can mange them.
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/windows-10-doesnt-offer-much-privacy-by-default-heres-how-to-fix-it/
Yeah, it's not too bad if you can mitigate the risks. Again, I'm not particularly worried.
I imagine a good majority of Windows 10 users won't be aware though.
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Yeah, it's not too bad if you can mitigate the risks. Again, I'm not particularly worried.
I imagine a good majority of Windows 10 users won't be aware though.
Oh they won't be. Just like they weren't when they bought their Android or Apple phone. I think it's MS catching up and likely playing a little ball with the feds too.
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For what it's worth, yesterday I switched to 10 from 8.1 and it's definitely faster. OS is smoother and so are games. I did run all the anti-spying scripts. Took me a long time to at least hide all the stupid crap apps no one is interested in. Unless the NSA shows up at my door, would do again.
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I'm on the extra paranoid side. I run a software firewall to keep things on the inside...
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.... or are you saying Win10 had already downloaded in the background on its own and was telling you it was ready for install. At which you point you decided to run a further Win7 update after Win10 already downloaded in the background by itself?
No, the upgrade icon appears in the tray but it doesn't download the Win 10 upgrade unless initiated by the user. What I did was to get a Win 7 system as up to date possible before imaging it to a back up image. That includes all high priority updates and also any optional updates that I knew I would need (stuff like Visual Basic packages and .Net). It included zero non-MS stuff except essential drivers i.e. chipset and ethernet drivers from Dell, graphics drivers from nvidia). This is just basic stuff - get a basic OS up to date and patched but with no apps and then back it up before making an otherwise irreversible change.
Anyhow I've booted Win 7 several times in the last couple of days and it didn't break yet so things are looking up hehehe.
As I mentioned earlier I'll have another look when something like an SP1 appears, or if I see a low quality video on al jazeera featuring Bill in an orange jump suit looking scared, unshaven and promising to fix it.
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No, the upgrade icon appears in the tray but it doesn't download the Win 10 upgrade unless initiated by the user.
That's not actually accurate based on other installs I've seen. If you reserve a copy, your PC will download it in the background when its ready and then prompt you to install. What you did was a forced install as far as I can tell. No big deal, just want clarification so people can know what to expect one way or the other. All I'm saying is your method did not follow MS recommended guidelines for the least trouble-free experience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9_CFedMorQ
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No, the upgrade icon appears in the tray but it doesn't download the Win 10 upgrade unless initiated by the user.
Mine tried to upgrade (from 7) automatically a couple times yesterday and today. Normally my settings just give me a notification and I can choose when/what to download, but Win10 keeps trying to start itself on my machine.
I've cancelled it twice now. Yesterday I tried installing some regular updates with the Win10 unchecked, but it still tried to download. Today I was able to run updates without Win10, but the notification keeps popping up.
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I'm on the extra paranoid side. I run a software firewall to keep things on the inside...
if you need a firewall to protect you from what already resides on your hardware then you already lost ;-)
The kernel you run decides what goes in and out, so a software firewall on the same OS is only really good for offering a false sense of security. Unless you're using an entirely different device to inspect and filter the traffic you can't really know what is coming and going.
Imo if you trust MS such that you run their OS then you're wasting your time using a software firewall in preference to the firewall they ship baked in (which is perfectly decent in terms of configurability).
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That's not actually accurate.
It's exactly how it works on my Dell running Win 7 Pro. Please expand your observation so as to make it informative.
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It's exactly how it works on my Dell running Win 7 Pro. Please expand your observation so as to make it informative.
Recheck my post with the video link, the stated procedures form microsoft I've also linked and other users comments like Armaegis. You performed a forced install.
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.....If you reserve a copy, your PC will download it in the background when its ready and then prompt you to install. What you did was a forced install as far as I can tell. No big deal, just want clarification ......
Those are some interesting assumptions.
I didn't make a reservation. I just went through the regular Windows Update process. btw when I booted Win 7 this morning the Win 10 upgrade notification has reappeared inviting me to upgrade. Without me initiating it precisely nothing else happens.
A "forced upgrade". That sounds very ominous and *bad*. Almost like a moral judgement or an expression of disapproval ;-) What I did was follow, exactly and to the letter, two diferent upgrade paths (one in place upgrade, the other an install using bootable media) recommended by MS on a fully up to date and genuine Win 7 Pro. If you feel better describing that in terms of coercion and trying to imply or associate unwanted behaviour then...err... you feel better.
I've spelled out in plain terms, more than once, what I did and what happened. If you really insist on assuming I in fact did some other things and that actually some other stuff happened I'm not sure how to engage with that. It doesn't feel like a conversation, more like facing one of those tennis serving machines.
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Those are some interesting assumptions.
Those assumptions are based on what you wrote and what MS wrote. You are extrapolating that all the various upgrade paths were equally recommended when MS clearly said this was not the case. Having a thousand ways to skin a cat doesn't make them all equally efficient. You chose not to follow the path of reserving a copy and waiting for Windows to download automatically in the background which is EXACTLY what MS recommended as their preferred method. Then you had a complaints about download times on the first day and driver issues, etc. Well, no surprise then right?
Yeah, you've spelled things out. We've heard you talking. I just don't think you are listening very well to what 'Billy G' and others have been telling you. Thx for sharing.
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Pretty sure Julian is trolling, or he's extremely fucking dense. Either way it's not worth responding to stupidity at this point.
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When you can't make a reasoned reply the obvious thing to do is to offer some insults.
(http://s10.postimg.org/ay3j03gxx/win7.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ay3j03gxx/)
Some of the best ways on the internet to prove that you're right even though you ran out of anything to say:
appeal to totally non-authoritative authority
post a link to a youtube video (that is pure ninja!)
call a person a troll and then keep replying to them.
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Pretty sure Julian is trolling, or he's extremely fucking dense. Either way it's not worth responding to stupidity at this point.
Wow, you're right. I was slightly skeptical till now. Somebody buy him a Mac.
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After Vista I am not rushing anything any more with Microsoft products. I still run Office 2007 for fuck's sake, still good.
Either W10 is as smooth as a proper W8 install or I skip it until SP1 is out in a few months. I do not care about this integration of services trend, I will remove or disable Cortana when possible among others.
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Imo if you trust MS such that you run their OS then you're wasting your time using a software firewall in preference to the firewall they ship baked in (which is perfectly decent in terms of configurability).
What OS do you use if you don't trust anyone? p:/
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After Vista I am not rushing anything any more with Microsoft products. I still run Office 2007 for fuck's sake, still good.
I felt that way after Windows ME. I didn't buy ME or use it myself but I did make a few pennies doing repairs and, more reliably, upgrades to 2000 and then XP. In 2008 I actually bought a new HT PC running Vista and still feel aggrieved. The hardware was great though and currently is my home server running Debian Stable headless (silent, low power consumption AMD 4050E, SPDIF out, eSATA port ... very handy).
My mother called me a couple of weeks ago and said she could no longer stand her Windows 8 desktop and should she replace it with a Windows 10 laptop in the next few months? I agreed to try Windows 10 and let her know and we had a good laugh about how it might even be worse. She writes for a living and travels a bit so what she needs is a laptop with a moderately up to date office suite that can deal with all current document formats. I told her if she buys Win 10 it's going to be an annual subscription. She turned the air blue and cooked my right ear and this was over the phone from hundreds of miles away. I think I'll be consulting ebay and finding her a Windows 7 Thinkpad with Office 2007 just so my ears don't get toasted again and also I don't have to do long distance tech support with someone cranky who I can't quite shake off (I need the interest free loans).
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What OS do you use if you don't trust anyone?
I didn't mention not trusting anyone.
My point is that if you distrust your OS such that you feel you need a software firewall to stop the OS sending information then this is futile.
The kernel dictates what you can control or even observe (or not) and any software firewall on top of that is essentially a band aid.
That's why if you're in doubt you need to inspect the traffic but use a different machine to do so. You can use Wireshark or similar.
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Pretty sure Julian is trolling, or he's extremely fucking dense.
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My mother called me a couple of weeks ago and said she could no longer stand her Windows 8 desktop and should she replace it with a Windows 10 laptop in the next few months? I agreed to try Windows 10 and let her know and we had a good laugh about how it might even be worse. She writes for a living and travels a bit so what she needs is a laptop with a moderately up to date office suite that can deal with all current document formats. I told her if she buys Win 10 it's going to be an annual subscription. She turned the air blue and cooked my right ear and this was over the phone from hundreds of miles away. I think I'll be consulting ebay and finding her a Windows 7 Thinkpad with Office 2007 just so my ears don't get toasted again and also I don't have to do long distance tech support with someone cranky who I can't quite shake off (I need the interest free loans).
Get the OS and software suite on DVDs. I shall not forgive Microsoft for taking the DVD option away. A good refurbished T420/430/520/530 is still to be found.
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good refurbished T420
Exactly what I had in my mind. I briefly considered getting one and keeping it and palming off my ancient EeePC on the aged ancestor but I fear for my inheritance.
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The kernel dictates what you can control or even observe (or not) and any software firewall on top of that is essentially a band aid.
That's why if you're in doubt you need to inspect the traffic but use a different machine to do so. You can use Wireshark or similar.
And that can be bypassed as well. It's always just an arms race and it's all about how far you're willing to go.
There's no such thing as perfect security except for turning off your computer and throwing it in an incinerator.
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If you do paid work with your machine IMO you are batshit crazy to upgrade to a .0 OS release. At minimum wait for the .1 when the drivers are semi mature, the major issues are gone and whatever critical software you use has been certified stable.
I might toss it on my barebones HTPC to start getting familiar with the new GUI and whatever else though... Really hoping 10 will be the real successor to 7.
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There's no such thing as perfect security except for turning off your computer and throwing it in an incinerator.
I'm fairly sure that just pulling the power cable should suffice. The rest is just for fun. Also it's really hard to get people to pay for their repair when you present them with a teaspoon of ashes (I expect).
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If you do paid work with your machine IMO you are batshit crazy to upgrade to a .0 OS release.
She's in her 70s and running Windows 8. Time is short.
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I'm fairly sure that just pulling the power cable should suffice. The rest is just for fun. Also it's really hard to get people to pay for their repair when you present them with a teaspoon of ashes (I expect).
Pulling the plug won't prevent someone from just stealing your computer...
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If you do paid work with your machine IMO you are batshit crazy to upgrade to a .0 OS release. At minimum wait for the .1 when the drivers are semi mature, the major issues are gone and whatever critical software you use has been certified stable.
I might toss it on my barebones HTPC to start getting familiar with the new GUI and whatever else though... Really hoping 10 will be the real successor to 7.
Definitely. The 500 item limit in the start menu for example is a critical issue that will need to be dealt with for a lot of people to be able to use W10 in a pro environment. I have a couple of Celeron boxes that serve as basically glorified Rokus, and I'll try W10 on them first in a few weeks once the Intel IGP drivers have been hammered out. If it's a total disaster it's no big deal at all, I can just reimage them back to W7. They don't do anything terribly important.
I generally use Linux Mint on my work machine because I've got no time for BS on that. I do run W7 on my Samsung S9 though, and I'm in no hurry to mess with that, I imagine it will be a long time before Samsung gets around to updating the drivers for the function keys, touchpad, etc.
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Pulling the plug won't prevent someone from just stealing your computer...
But it won't work without the plug :)p13
edit: p.s. that above is pure logic. There is no defence.
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Well the upgrade is downloaded and it keeps reminding me that it's time to upgrade. I will just keep using 8.1 until some of the issues are worked out. "We Don't Get Fooled Again". But I have to say this version is getting more positive comments than any MS OS I can remember. Which is all of them. Hey, I have almost a year so why rush.
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Hey, I have almost a year so why rush.
Go on. Go on, go on. Go on. Go on, go on, go on. You know you want to.
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I generally use Linux Mint on my work machine because I've got no time for BS on that. I do run W7 on my Samsung S9 though, and I'm in no hurry to mess with that, I imagine it will be a long time before Samsung gets around to updating the drivers for the function keys, touchpad, etc.
Hello fellow Tuxer! I've been running Debian for a long time.
Kimagure:~# uname -a
Linux Kimagure 4.0.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.0.8-2 (2015-07-22) x86_64 GNU/LinuxWere you hit by that nasty CPU lockup bug introduced around 3.16? This machine would go down more than once a day with a hard lockup. Before 3.16, 300+ days of up-time. After, I was lucky to go a week. The bug wasn't stomped out until somewhere past 4.0.2. So far, 4.0.8 has been working well. I can transcode and actually multitask without the kernel blowing a fuse. I actually told a friend that my Win7 machine was more stable than my Linux box. p:8
As for Windows 10, I am looking forward to DirectX12, but I'll wait until Christmas to upgrade. Hopefully by then they have better driver support, squashed bugs, and changed their policy on collecting "telemetry." Also, hopefully, Nvidia's next gen GPU will be out. My 670GTX with 4GB VRAM is 3 generations behind already.
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Hello fellow Tuxer! I've been running Debian for a long time.
Kimagure:~# uname -a
Linux Kimagure 4.0.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.0.8-2 (2015-07-22) x86_64 GNU/LinuxWere you hit by that nasty CPU lockup bug introduced around 3.16? This machine would go down more than once a day with a hard lockup. Before 3.16, 300+ days of up-time. After, I was lucky to go a week. The bug wasn't stomped out until somewhere past 4.0.2. So far, 4.0.8 has been working well. I can transcode and actually multitask without the kernel blowing a fuse. I actually told a friend that my Win7 machine was more stable than my Linux box. p:8
As for Windows 10, I am looking forward to DirectX12, but I'll wait until Christmas to upgrade. Hopefully by then they have better driver support, squashed bugs, and changed their policy on collecting "telemetry." Also, hopefully, Nvidia's next gen GPU will be out. My 670GTX with 4GB VRAM is 3 generations behind already.
No, I never messed with 3.16. Mint 17 is a LTS release, based on 3.13 and running Cinnamon 2.4. The only time I ever update my work machine is when a new LTS is released, which I don't think is scheduled until 2019, so it will stay running 17 until then. I have no need for the latest and "greatest," it just needs to work.
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I just received my notification that my upgrade to Windows 10 Pro from Windows 8.1 Pro is ready to install. I am a little skeptical about driver and program compatibility, unless I can use the Windows compatibility feature for certain programs/software. I have heard mixed reviews on Windows 10, some have issues, others say they have no issues at all. I am looking for some thoughts from those who have upgraded to Windows 10 (especially the Pro Version) to see if it is worth upgrading yet or not. Most of my hardware is new and with Windows Pro, I can disable automatic updates, which I believe will help with driver issues. I am concerned (as another poster stated) about drivers such as those from Schiit for my Bifrost Uber, but perhaps Windows compatibility mode would work if it doesn't work correctly with Windows 10 Pro.
SO basically, I am just looking for some feedback on whether or not to go ahead and perform the upgrade. I plan on making a System Image backup, as wll as cloning my main OS drive, however since all of my Hard drives and SSD's were fried recently and I had to replace them, I really do not have much on this PC yet, and really nothing of extreme importance (or anything I couldn't simply backup).
I also have read that it was fairly easy to roll-back to Windows 8.1 Pro if needed.
I am just looking for thoughts from those who have performed the upgrade as to whether or not to go ahead and make the jump to Windows 10 Pro yet.
Thank you for any suggestions, comments, and/or advice.
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Same here :)p8
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When you can't make a reasoned reply the obvious thing to do is to offer some insults.
(http://s10.postimg.org/ay3j03gxx/win7.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ay3j03gxx/)
Some of the best ways on the internet to prove that you're right even though you ran out of anything to say:
appeal to totally non-authoritative authority
post a link to a youtube video (that is pure ninja!)
call a person a troll and then keep replying to them.
Everyone has that icon you dolt. That doesn't mean it's ready for your computer. If you click it and it doesn't let you install Windows 10 from there then it's just letting you reserve the upgrade, but again you're either an idiot or trolling so I'm going to ignore you as worthless internet space from here on out.
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I just received my notification that my upgrade to Windows 10 Pro from Windows 8.1 Pro is ready to install. I am a little skeptical about driver and program compatibility, unless I can use the Windows compatibility feature for certain programs/software. I have heard mixed reviews on Windows 10, some have issues, others say they have no issues at all. I am looking for some thoughts from those who have upgraded to Windows 10 (especially the Pro Version) to see if it is worth upgrading yet or not. Most of my hardware is new and with Windows Pro, I can disable automatic updates, which I believe will help with driver issues. I am concerned (as another poster stated) about drivers such as those from Schiit for my Bifrost Uber, but perhaps Windows compatibility mode would work if it doesn't work correctly with Windows 10 Pro.
SO basically, I am just looking for some feedback on whether or not to go ahead and perform the upgrade. I plan on making a System Image backup, as wll as cloning my main OS drive, however since all of my Hard drives and SSD's were fried recently and I had to replace them, I really do not have much on this PC yet, and really nothing of extreme importance (or anything I couldn't simply backup).
I also have read that it was fairly easy to roll-back to Windows 8.1 Pro if needed.
I am just looking for thoughts from those who have performed the upgrade as to whether or not to go ahead and make the jump to Windows 10 Pro yet.
Thank you for any suggestions, comments, and/or advice.
FYI, my in place upgrade form win 7 Pro top win 10 pro failed 3 times and reverted successfully back to win 7. Waiting a few months before I try it again and will probably do it on one of my least used win 7 machines.
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Successfull update from win8 pro to win10 here. Got some funny stuff going though, like one piece of software I can't uninstall afterwards. Nothing a clean install couldn't fix I think.
I'm a bit wary about upgrading on my lenovo tablet however, given there's no easy way to reinstall.
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Successful upgrade of my Surface Pro 3, Win 8.1 to Win 10. Went perfectly as far as I can tell so far. I downloaded the Win 10 upgrade tool and installed, rather than waiting for the Windows Update notification.
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If you guys are worried about stability and compatibility, there is a reason why businesses and corporations are still running Windows 7. And BTW, I used to be an IT Director. So yeah, listen to me. And this thread is giving me a headache and making Changstar not fun for me.
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If you guys are worried about stability and compatibility, there is a reason why businesses and corporations are still running Windows 7. And BTW, I used to be an IT Director. So yeah, listen to me. And this thread is giving me a headache and making Changstar not fun for me.
Thanks for your input you IT dinosaur. The rest of us will live on the bleeding edge of buggy/unsafe/unstable.
I for one welcome our new Microsoft Windows 10 overlords.
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If you guys are worried about stability and compatibility, there is a reason why businesses and corporations are still running Windows 7.
Oh, you mean other than just being slow as hell to roll things out and retire old tech? We were still running some 2000 boxes first half of this year. Win7 rollout wasn't until late '14. :) I get it, though. I leave the bleeding edge stuff for home.
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Gorramit windows, stop trying to upgrade yourself... how many times do I have to say no until you listen? do I need a safeword or something?
I'm glad I actually have a legit Win7* disk that I can install from if things go awry.
*probably the best feature when I bought this laptop years ago, it came right at the tail end of Vista and I could upgrade for free to Win7 (except that "free" upgrade cost $30 in shipping... still, a legit disk for $30 isn't bad).
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Gorramit windows, stop trying to upgrade yourself... how many times do I have to say no until you listen? do I need a safeword or something?
I'm glad I actually have a legit Win7* disk that I can install from if things go awry.
*probably the best feature when I bought this laptop years ago, it came right at the tail end of Vista and I could upgrade for free to Win7 (except that "free" upgrade cost $30 in shipping... still, a legit disk for $30 isn't bad).
Uninstall the KB3035583 in windows update. It should stop bothering you.
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A lot of professional automotive diagnostic tools are still only compatible with Windows XP.
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I promise I do not want to contribute to Marv's headache, but for those of you who have managed to get on Windows 10, get ready for your first update.
Save your work .... http://www.pcworld.com/article/2957354/windows/save-your-work-microsoft-is-forcing-an-update-and-restart-for-windows-10-tonight.html
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I only have the Win 10 update ready for install. But I got a forced update this afternoon. My laptop was in sleep mode and came alive. Took sometime. Much longer than an 8.1 update. Wondering if that is the update for installed Win 10.
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The update was painless and quick. Thanks for pointing that out bixby.
I'm really enjoying the 10 experience so far. I think it already feels very tight, so glad I upgraded.
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I've upgraded two computers now and am very happy with Win 10 thus far, particularly now that the new Yggy driver has dropped. Favorite feature so far: right clicking the start button gives you access to just about everything important in a single consolidated pop up menu. Where have you been all my life!?!
I went the media creation tool route and just ran the upgrade. Only minor issue was that Win10 did not have native support for the touchpad on my N56VZ. Should have thought to find that in advance so I wouldn't have had to pull out a spare mouse.
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Windows is now updating my Lenovo X121e.
I am curious to what the outcome will be. I hope I do not have to reinstall Office. Everything else is a matter of checking settings and updates.
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Upgraded two PC's, one hi-end (5 year old, at the time absolute top) i7 full tower, and one small Lenovo i3 laptop, first PC got upgraded in approximately one hour only, and the laptop in about two hours.
Both work perfectly fine and are noticeably faster.
No problem with drivers, software or anything else.
I am very happy and i think Microsoft has nailed it this time...
PS. The i7 tower had severe problems when i installed win8, when they first came out... and about two weeks after installation i reverted back to win7... from my impressions so far win10 is here to stay!
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Just did the update to W10 yesterday. Didn't bother reading most of this thread but everything seems to be going fine. I'll try running W10 for a few days and then go back for a clean install. Supposedly I should be able to use a USB drive to save the W10 license so that I don't need to go back from W7 and do tedious upgrades. Will report on how that goes.
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I hope I do not have to reinstall Office.
I didn't have to reinstall. Plus, the integration in 10 and Office is much better now. The "Action Center" notifications, recent files and OneDrive all work well together. I'd had issues in 8.1 because I encrypt everything before it goes to the cloud so it continuously screwed things up. Windows 10 is working perfectly for me, which is really nice since I didn't have to eliminate or downgrade my security to do so. I did go through and check/uncheck as necessary to not share anything with Microsoft etc. so I feel in a pretty good place re privacy, sharing just enough to make the integration useful to me without giving anyone access to more than they should have. I definitely got rid of the Bing search in the bottom left so it just searches my computer. Also turned off Cortana, although I might revisit that in a year if it turns out to be useful. The future will definitely be voice (or mind) controlled so I'm just being an old curmudgeon by not adapting yet....
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The install went so smoothly that I have no single complaint.
I like the interface, the start menu, the new task bar and my old settings are still there even in my Google Chrome browser. No reinstalling Office among others.
The whiskey tango foxtrot part is this thing called "privacy settings." I disabled the built-in key-logger and Cortana to start with. Then I went whiskey tango serious foxtrot and disabled many "standard enabled" settings.
Thank you Microsoft for the back doors that I detest like Kanye West's rendition of "Bohemian Rhapsody."
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Easiest Windows install by far, i mean the upgrade.
Click 'Ok' and 'Agreed' few times and done. My grandma could do this.
First look: As W7 should have been in Vista's place, W10 should have been in W8's place. I like it.
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The whiskey tango foxtrot part is this thing called "privacy settings." I disabled the built-in key-logger and Cortana to start with. Then I went whiskey tango serious foxtrot and disabled many "standard enabled" settings.
Thank you Microsoft for the back doors that I detest like Kanye West's rendition of "Bohemian Rhapsody."
Yeah some of that stuff is troubling, and I think it should all be opt-in by default, rather than the other way around. I don't love the idea of MS subsidizing their "free" OS by turning it into Facebook, and I really don't like the idea of eventually paying for it to have it do all of the same stuff.
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What do you mean by eventually paying for it? I thought the upgrade was free.
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What do you mean by eventually paying for it? I thought the upgrade was free.
If you have an existing copy of 7 or 8, its free for a year. Otherwise you'll have to pay for it if you're building a new machine.
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Otherwise you'll have to pay for it if you're building a new machine.
But this is how it's always been. Having a free upgrade is an improvement over all prior versions MS has ever released to my knowledge. Otherwise you have a year to build a new PC and install an old version of Win7/8 to get Win10 for free and then do a clean install using that newly generated license/key.
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If you have an existing copy of 7 or 8, its free for a year. Otherwise you'll have to pay for it if you're building a new machine.
Oh, okay. I heard someone mention something subscription based and I was scared that by doing the free upgrade I'd eventually have to deal with that.
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Otherwise you have a year to build a new PC and install an old version of Win7/8 to get Win10 for free and then do a clean install using that newly generated license/key.
There are some caveats to this improvement in the Microsoft's upgrade policies. Big corps just can't help but make things complicated.
If you have an OEM key for Win7/8, you cannot transfer that OEM key to a new computer. You can only install the free Win10 on that computer. The Win7/8 key basically goes *poof* as the key cannot be used to validate Win7/8 on another computer.
If you have a retail key for Win7/8, you CAN transfer that retail key to a new computer and get the free Win10 update on the new computer. Like the OEM key, the retail Win7/8 key basically goes *poof* as it is somehow incorporated into your Win10 key. The old computer will need a new Win7/8/10 key, old XP key, or GNU-Linux/BSD.
How do you know which type of key you have? That's a toughie. If your computer came with Win7/8 preinstalled, it is up to the manufacturer of the computer whether you got an OEM or retail key. If you bought Win7/8 separately, then you have to check if you bought an OEM or a retail key. Newegg, for example, sells both keys.
Also, a "new computer" means a change in motherboard or CPU as Win Vista/7/8/10 keys are locked your combination of motherboard AND CPU.
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That only sounds complicated if you're trying to game the system and use the product key multiple times. I see nothing wrong with what they're doing based on your description. Why should a product key work for two machines?
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But this is how it's always been. Having a free upgrade is an improvement over all prior versions MS has ever released to my knowledge. Otherwise you have a year to build a new PC and install an old version of Win7/8 to get Win10 for free and then do a clean install using that newly generated license/key.
Right, that wasn't the complaint. If they had this sort of policy with Windows 8, then I think it would probably have higher than something like a 15% market share. The complaint was that it will likely continue to do all of the data harvesting that it does by default, ON TOP of the fact that you'll eventually have to pay for it.
GMail does the same sort of stuff, but GMail is also free. I'd have more of a problem with it if GMail cost $100. I don't expect Outlook for example to read all of my emails to deliver a "better ad experience."
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Windows market share per version has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the OS though. I might be misunderstanding you though.
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Windows market share per version has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the OS though. I might be misunderstanding you though.
Sure. What I meant was, I think a lot of people looked at Win 8, and saw no reason to pay for the upgrade. If MS had given it away to Vista and Win 7 users instead of charging for it from day one, they might've gotten a lot more people to try it.
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Oh okay, yeah I really misunderstood you. I'm not sure how much that would have changed things for the average user (mom & dad computer illiterate types) but I agree with you on the whole.
I moved from Win7 to Win8 as I'd read that Win8 was a bit more efficient in comparison and I actually love it. I really want to try Win10 though, performance is supposed to be better than Win8 so I'm excited. I just got an SSD and I've heard SSD performance is better on 10 than 8 even.
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That only sounds complicated if you're trying to game the system and use the product key multiple times. I see nothing wrong with what they're doing based on your description. Why should a product key work for two machines?
The issue is a user can only transfer 1 type of license key. It may not be obvious which key a person has for their current computer.
Some people may want to build a new computer and transfer their Win7(+free upgrade to Win10) to the new machine. The OEM license does not allow this to happen. This kind of transfer is allowed with a retail key. I wouldn't consider this as "gaming the system" as the user is still running only 1 licensed copy of a modern Windows operating system on 1 computer.
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Oh okay, yeah I really misunderstood you. I'm not sure how much that would have changed things for the average user (mom & dad computer illiterate types) but I agree with you on the whole.
I moved from Win7 to Win8 as I'd read that Win8 was a bit more efficient in comparison and I actually love it. I really want to try Win10 though, performance is supposed to be better than Win8 so I'm excited. I just got an SSD and I've heard SSD performance is better on 10 than 8 even.
Check out the privacy settings. I am really annoyed about the standard W10 privacy settings. Fuck Microsoft, I have to go open source...
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Updated to 10 on my Acer tablet/ultrabook/thing and things are going well so far, but I don't use it much. I like the speed of Edge for sure, but it's missing guestures I had in the IE Win 8.1 app. I know there is still a lot of work to do on Edge and it's in a basic form presently, but I hope they get features like that in quickly, as it's almost required for tablets.
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Check out the privacy settings. I am really annoyed about the standard W10 privacy settings. Fuck Microsoft, I have to go open source...
Running a free software OS will solve this problem, just so long as you never use a smartphone, don't join a social network, don't regularly associate with others who use social networks, you run (competently) your own mail server, your web browser is not identifiable (for terrifying illustration of the problems see http://panopticlick.eff.org/) etc. etc. etc.
It will just be you and RMS and you won't be able to speak to each other.
For the most part the extent of data mining in Windows has not changed, it's just that it has overtly extended its reach from apps to apps+OS. And who runs a barebones desktop Windows OS anyway? In a business environment with sane administration there will essentially be no change, and for most (uninterested and unskilled) home users there is in effect no substantive change.
In terms of loss of privacy I don't think Windows 10 makes anything absolutely worse for many people, it only introduces a new conduit to the data harvesters and adds one to their number (MS), or at least makes their already existing activity explicit.
I run Debian and Windows. My Windows system is for the odd thing that absolutely requires Windows (some games and apps that don't work well in WINE and some stuff specific to my Samsung Android devices) while Debian is for the other 99% of stuff on home desktop and 100% of stuff on laptop and server. Debian divulges exactly 0% personal info. It has no license to inspect my data. Connections to servers/mirrors to check for updates are initiated by me only (whether automated/scheduled or manual) and I don't have to identify myself to them, they have to identify themselves to me (public keys and signed packages and so on).
But I probably undo all of that because I use a smartphone and use gmail as my primary email address. I can most definitely be associated with specific accounts and identities across multiple regular locations and devices.
I find it hard to believe that Windows 10's privacy intrusions are anything new to anyone who uses a desktop Windows or Mac or a smartphone of any description. They may be *news* but they aren't new.
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If I understand your post correctly, I can expect pretty much zero privacy. I am fed up with this as normal. Just accept it because as there is nothing you can do about it?
There is one thing, disconnect. If I "disappear" don't be too surprised. I lived life just fine before this fucking invasion of of my privacy. And perhaps, until the government stops sucking ass to Internet companies and providers I can find a way to live without this shit. Seriously. How long are are we just going to accept this as a compromise in exchange for the "service" we get? I would miss my communication with all of you, but I still have a landline.
This is bullshit. Why do we allow it? We don't have to. We just allow it. Does anyone like this? Is it necessary? End rant.
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Uninstall the KB3035583 in windows update. It should stop bothering you.
It only kinda worked. Next reboot it started downloading automatically again. I went through windows update and unchecked it even though it was an "optional" updates, but that still didn't do it. I have now hidden it from the optional updates... not sure if it'll hold this time.
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It only kinda worked. Next reboot it started downloading automatically again. I went through windows update and unchecked it even though it was an "optional" updates, but that still didn't do it. I have now hidden it from the optional updates... not sure if it'll hold this time.
I'm with you. I tried desabling the winupdate service, but it goes back on after a reboot. No solution for now.
EDIT:
Seems like it worked with a bit of tinkering in the service.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/51b5rqu5gbo4zdn/Windowsupdate%201.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/51b5rqu5gbo4zdn/Windowsupdate%201.jpg?dl=0)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/eg24ovzvc7ty9fq/Windowsupdate%202.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/eg24ovzvc7ty9fq/Windowsupdate%202.jpg?dl=0)
And for good measure, I disabled the windowsupate service in msconfig.
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My mother's PC got notification today. She's not a power user so it's perfect to see how her rig responds to the upgrade.
(http://i.imgur.com/9BCOqeg.jpg)
Went ahead and performed the install for her which was trouble free and took about an hour from start to end. Actually picked up an extra 7-8GB of free space on her boot drive after it was over. Definitely much snappier and smoother than Win7 which was welcome considering she's on an old Core2Duo with only 3GB of RAM and one of the first 30GB Corsair SSDs (ahhh...TRIM!). Only thing I had reinstall was JRiver. Drivers were good to go. The only thing that seems not to have picked up any speed was Chrome which makes sense. Hopefully Google will optimize it better in future. Right now it feels a little like a fish out of water on Win10.
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I'm with you. I tried desabling the winupdate service, but it goes back on after a reboot. No solution for now.
EDIT:
Seems like it worked with a bit of tinkering in the service.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/51b5rqu5gbo4zdn/Windowsupdate%201.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/51b5rqu5gbo4zdn/Windowsupdate%201.jpg?dl=0)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/eg24ovzvc7ty9fq/Windowsupdate%202.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/eg24ovzvc7ty9fq/Windowsupdate%202.jpg?dl=0)
And for good measure, I disabled the windowsupate service in msconfig.
A word of warning, disabling windows update disables access to windows store. I don't care, but you might.
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Didn't pay attention to the before/after HD space like Anax when I updated, but the boot time is definitely much improved. Other than the initial wifi issue, I find it a much improved version so far. I like that I didn't have to reformat my whole computer :)p1
The task view really reminds me of OSX, very useful when you are running so many things in the background :money:
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Did the Win10 update on my other tablet, an Asus Vivo Tab Note 8. This one had a couple issues, unlike the off-brand, Chinese WinBook tablet from MicroCenter (go figure, right?). Still, nothing major. The update and Win10 install went OK, but it got stuck trying to configure something right before it would take me to the desktop. No matter. A reboot fixed it right up.
I then wanted to try to do a clean install of Win10 on the tablet. Factory reset would have taken me back to Win8, so I did the lesser option that still offered to wipe the drive for me. This time, the install actually went much faster and didn't get stuck like it did before. All it prompted me to do was clear or not clear the TPM prior to the Win10 re-install.
Everything seems to be working just fine, including the Wacom pen. Plenty zippy on the tablet. Nice!
Wife upgraded her gaming PC, and the Win10 process was about as smooth as could be. No issues to report during or after the fact.
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Didn't pay attention to the before/after HD space...
If you right click on your boot drive, click properties, tools tab, click clean system disk, then disk clean up. Scroll down and select temp windows files and old windows files. You should be able to pick up around 5-10GB of extra space. Of course, that means you can't revert back to 7, so you better be comfortable with 10.
Went ahead and did my old 9 year old backup Thinkpad. No issues. Clean and snappy. If Windows says your hardware and upgrade is good to go ('Ready'), I highly recommend it for slower hardware to give them a little more life.
2 PCs upgraded, 2 more to go. Saving my primary for last.
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Microsoft is on to a winner methinks with W10. I have a lenovo at work and upgraded it last week...no fuss...everything went like clockwork
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Incidentally, it seems that the Start Menu replacement apps for Windows 8 seem to continue to work fine in W10, so if you don't like the new "half and half" look, you can have the W7 type menu in W10 if you want it.
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So I took the plunge and installed Windows 10 from a pirated and authorized version of Windows 8.1, easiest install ever and a breeze to set up.
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If you right click on your boot drive, click properties, tools tab, click clean system disk, then disk clean up. Scroll down and select temp windows files and old windows files. You should be able to pick up around 5-10GB of extra space. Of course, that means you can't revert back to 7, so you better be comfortable with 10.
Tried. 10GB is an understatement. Freed up 45GB :-00 :-00 p:3
Happy enough with this iteration of Windows so no point of keeping the old files.
Anax -> Headphone guru ->Tech guru -> what's next? :)p13 :)p13
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I upgraded wasn't a big deal. I actually ended up putting the full version on a flash drive and reinstalling windows all together.